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  •  Jobs couldn't have opened factories (3+ / 0-)

    in the US even if he wanted to. We haven't been training manufacturing engineers for decades at the level required. Of course, we could always steal them from Europe and Asia.

    •  We haven't been training manufacturing engineers.. (10+ / 0-)

      ...because the jobs don't exist for them once they graduate.

      If Jobs and his counterparts were willing to open factories in the US, I think we'd see people lining up to enroll in the appropriate programs to get those degrees.

      Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

      by TexasTom on Sat Jan 21, 2012 at 05:42:32 PM PST

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      •  I'm one of the Engineers America could have had (3+ / 0-)
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        I put in a few months at one of America's best engineering schools, at the beginning of the Clinton Presidency.  Speaking of that time period, to the best of my knowledge, what you're saying is true.  I was hearing tremendous negativity about the job market, in general.  Specific to what I wanted to do, at orientation one of the school officials got up and said "Many of you guys are thinking about going into Aerospace.  Don't go into Aerospace, you will not get a job."  When I'm on my deathbed, I know I'm going to look back and say that was a key turning point in my life.

        To the best of my knowledge, the private sector is truly not making the investment in American workers it needs to.  There were only 300 students in the freshmen class at the very elite private school I went to.  On day one, every one of those students should have had a big corporation begging to sponsor them.  Are engineers not more important than ball players?  But the private sector is all about maximizing wealth transfer to the .1% .  Not only do they fail to invest in the next generation of Americans, they'll bring in H1B labor breakers to drive down the wages of the Americans who do manage to get an education.  They bring down wages to the point where you might as well stay in the hood and sell drugs, or get your education as a plumber.    

        All that aside, I can say I was guaranteed a job as an engineer by the public sector, with the caveat that it be as an officer in the Army, and that my degree be Mechanical Engineering.  

        I can say, to an extent, America was willing to invest in me as an Engineer.  But - the scholarship I had still left my family trying to cover far more expense than they could.  Some people have told me I should have gotten a job to pay for tuition - well, this was a very expensive place to go to, and I was trying to hang with the top students in the world.  While physically exhausted by Ranger PT.  Maybe you've heard the saying, "cheap, good, fast - pick any two."  The sentiment applies- you can try to do it all but while reaching for more of one thing you'll lose a bit of another.  I made my best go at being a soldier and a Mechanical Engineer (although I didn't want to be either).  I won my Ranger Beret, and, despite being so drained from Ranger training that I was falling asleep in classes, I kept up a passing grade.  I wasn't the top student, but I was beating students who didn't get up early for PT.  And they were very smart guys, some of the smartest in the world!  

        The country, either public or private, needed to pick up the finances.  Somehow the decision was made that this wasn't worthwhile.  

        Now America asks, where are our Engineers?  I wonder . . .

        The R does not stand for Republican.

        by Jack the R on Sun Jan 22, 2012 at 12:02:51 PM PST

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