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  •  But the other companies will continue (1+ / 0-)
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    victoria2dc

    to use Foxconn which doesn't solve the worker's fucking problems does it?  I can't believe how many people don't understand that if you get iPads off of their production line the goddamned Kindles will still be manufactured by that company - and the workers lives actually could be worse since that product is designed to be cheap - as cheap as possible - therefore it is highly likely that more worker exploitation is needed to produce it.

    Please note what I said in my original comment here:

    Apple is not the only electronics manufacturer that contracts with this company because that does change how the battle to help these workers would play out in real terms

    •  If you can't solve the whole problem (1+ / 0-)
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      don't address it?

      Really?

      So, it was a huge waste of time for Starbucks customers to bust their shit and get them to start offering fair trade coffee and chocolate, and to stop sourcing any slave coffee period?

      Because...Folgers and Maxwell House didn't change overnight?

      Even though the competition latter did pressure them to begin to change they way they do business, and conditions actually are improving throughout the industry?

      Sorry.  You're wrong on this one.  History makes it clear.

      You can't, btw, exploit people worse than working them 35 hours straight until their kidneys shut down and they die.  You really can't.  We're at maximum here.

      Your argument that the Kindle line is somehow worse than the iPad line just isn't supported by any report about Foxxcon ever released.

      So, why don't you want Apple to change?  Why don't you want Apple to offer slightly more expensive products free of this sort of exploitation?

      Why does it make you angry to even think that they might make this change?

      Fear is your only God.

      by JesseCW on Sun Jan 22, 2012 at 10:57:10 AM PST

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      •  Can't solve the whole problem - don't (0+ / 0-)

        address it? That isn't at all what I was saying.  Not even close.

        Dealing with these factories is like playing whack-a-mole.  There has to be industry-wide pressure applied.

        •  I just refuted your argument, and then (0+ / 0-)

          you repeated it as if I hadn't.

          You get to industry wide pressure one step at a time.  One major key to begin bringing that pressure to bear is to first give consumers a choice.

          Focusing on Apple can do that - and it can do it more effectively if people stop trotting out pathetic excuses for what Apple has done or trying to distract from it with 'spread the guilt around' arguments.

          Everyone trying to deflect, distract, and defend here is acting as an agent for a horrifically inhumane system.

          Fear is your only God.

          by JesseCW on Sun Jan 22, 2012 at 01:50:01 PM PST

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          •  I am not trying to defend or deflect. (0+ / 0-)

            I see value in calling out each of the big players including Apple.  But I don't see value in people not being informed about the fact that there are more players than just Apple.  In fact, I could see people feeling like they were duped if they didn't understand.

            I think that you misinterpreted my comment to mean that I wanted to dilute the intensity of the initiative or felt protective of Apple neither of which is the case at all.

            I saw a comment in another diary about this talking about how consumers needed to choose other companies' products because Apple is the bad guy - that's the ignorance that ultimately allows Foxconn to go uninjured because people decide that "anyone but Apple" will solve the problem.  That is not the case in this situation.

    •  Well then APPLE will finally earn it's SUPERHERO (0+ / 0-)

      status and will be even more successful because we can write diaries about how Apple is really the company we thought that they were.  I bet the people in AppleLand aren't too happy about the release of this information to the general public.

      Good.  Occupy Apple!  Tweet them.  Occupy Al Gore!  Tweet him too.  Why not take action that could actually change this damn economy?  Aren't you tired of buy cheap Chinese JUNK?  I'm not saying Apple makes cheap Chinese junk, as they say is assembled in China but... but what?  Get Gore off his butt and let him do something for this country.  People still listen to him even though climate change is happening.  

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