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  •  In their own way (3+ / 0-)

    believers who have dropped such ideas are also cherry picking.

    But I agree about the blanket condemnation, and HR'ed the diarist for it. If he picked a specific, present-day problem caused by religious extremism, I think he'd find the audience much more receptive. He could be doing that instead of trying to make the entire religion, and all its believers, look dangerous.

    There is no belief, however foolish, that will not gather its faithful adherents who will defend it to the death. -- Isaac Asimov

    by tytalus on Sat Jan 21, 2012 at 12:14:52 PM PST

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    •  How do you figure? (0+ / 0-)
      believers who have dropped such ideas are also cherry picking.

      People who drop such ideas are trying to lead better lives.  That's not cherrypicking, either in or out of a religious context.    

      Newt's not a conservative. It's just that conservatives assume that someone so mean and hateful has to be one of their true believers and not just an awful person.

      by Inland on Sat Jan 21, 2012 at 03:46:37 PM PST

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      •  Seems like it is (0+ / 0-)

        as far as I understand the term. Both cases seem to be selecting the most desirable bits and pieces for one's purpose. The premise of 'leading a better life' has no effect on the cherry picking, although the cause may seem more sympathetic.

        There is no belief, however foolish, that will not gather its faithful adherents who will defend it to the death. -- Isaac Asimov

        by tytalus on Sat Jan 21, 2012 at 04:23:36 PM PST

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        •  It's not picking bits and pieces, unless (0+ / 0-)

          you've defined the religion as everything anyone's ever said, every line of scripture, everything that anyone's ever believed.   That's not the way religions work.  It's like saying that you're cherrypicking what it means to be an American by abandoning slaveowning as a right.  Calling it cherrypicking makes sense only if you believe that there's a defined and unchangeable set of beliefs and practices.

          Newt's not a conservative. It's just that conservatives assume that someone so mean and hateful has to be one of their true believers and not just an awful person.

          by Inland on Sat Jan 21, 2012 at 06:53:08 PM PST

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          •  I gave you my understanding of the term (0+ / 0-)

            The bible itself seems a reasonable collection of ideas from which to cherry-pick, and you cited a similar idea as cherry-picking:

            a clause from a sacred book from a thousand years ago

            If you're interested in redefining the term to protect the choices of believers, I suppose that's fine, but I have no use for such semantic games.

            There is no belief, however foolish, that will not gather its faithful adherents who will defend it to the death. -- Isaac Asimov

            by tytalus on Sat Jan 21, 2012 at 08:17:18 PM PST

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