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  •  Other States (1+ / 0-)
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    Skaje

    Of the states I've extensively drawn:

    It'd be fairly easy to draw an 8-0 map of Maryland if you didn't have to worry about 2 black-majority districts.

    It'd be pretty easy for Democrats to draw New York in such a way that no Republican could compete in any district with any territory in NYC, Long Island, or the Hudson Valley as far up as Albany.

    I've done less w/ California and Illinois but I imagine similar things could be done in those states. (Of course, the Illinois drawers seem to do a pretty good job even with VRA constraints...)

    Now I assume Republicans would draw minority majority districts in any state where they could just to create Dem vote sinks.

    Stuck Between Stations : Thoughts from a bottomless pool of useless information.

    by Answer Guy on Sun Jan 22, 2012 at 02:14:23 PM PST

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    •  We've had plenty of 8-0 Maryland maps on here (1+ / 0-)
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      andgarden

      That were argued to be VRA-compliant--they didn't draw one, as Skaje points out.  Andrew Cuomo might not sign even a legal gerrymander of New York state.  California has a commission that is not interested in maximizing Democratic seats--and when Democrats had full control of redistricting, they didn't seem to maximize the number of seats they had even within the constraints of the VRA.  (Illinois Democrats, as you say, seem to be perfectly able to draw aggressive maps within the constraints of the VRA.)

      26, Dem, Dude seeing a dude, CT-04(originally), PA-02/NY-12(now)

      by Xenocrypt on Sun Jan 22, 2012 at 08:25:14 PM PST

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      •  Incumbent protection is more important (1+ / 0-)
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        to officeholders.

        Regarding NY, there are other factors at play here. The Republicans desperately need to continue the incumbent protection plans in the State Senate, for without the patronage they get by control of the NY Senate the entire party collapses. They might be willing to throw as many as five Republican members of Congress under the bus in order to maintain that control. And you just can't draw district lines that combine NYC D+41 areas (NY-15 and NY-16) with Republican areas 200 to 400 miles away upstate. There are  too many voters in between.

        It might actually not be too bad to have the Rethugs in control of the NY Senate as many of them are every bit as liberal as the Democrats, particularly on fiscal issues, and they have to a great extent frozen out the TeaPartiers unlike almost every other state's Republican party. The NY Rethugs, after all, allowed the same sex marriage bill to become law.

        But then again, this may be trying to find clouds in silver linings.

        •  That was basically my point (1+ / 0-)
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          Even if you can draw a super-aggressive NY map that ignores the VRA and gives the Democrats a great shot at many more Congressional seats than they have now, it's pretty unlikely that it would ever happen even if the relevant parts of the VRA were repealed.  So the seats "lost" by not having such a map shouldn't be included in an estimate of the partisan "costs" of the VRA.

          26, Dem, Dude seeing a dude, CT-04(originally), PA-02/NY-12(now)

          by Xenocrypt on Wed Jan 25, 2012 at 12:13:24 PM PST

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        •  So why call them "Rethugs"? (0+ / 0-)

          The only Republican thug I can easily think of is an independent again, I believe: Bloomberg. And the way he's a thug is relative to Occupy Wall Street. He is certainly not in any other way an extremist, but more of a somewhat innovative establishment politician.

          Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

          by MichaelNY on Wed Jan 25, 2012 at 07:08:30 PM PST

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    •  It was hard enough to get a 7-1 MD map (1+ / 0-)
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      and it was over the vehement objections of Kossack favorite Donna Edwards, who didn't want to surrender any Democratic voters in a D+30 district!

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