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  •  You're comparing teaching to meat packing? (5+ / 0-)

    And you're referencing a century-old book?

    I have no words that are printable.

    •  The poster is completely correct... (1+ / 0-)
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      ManhattanMan

      ...no matter how many non sequiturs are posted in response.

      (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
      Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

      by Sparhawk on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 09:02:05 AM PST

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      •  Please explain (4+ / 0-)
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        vacantlook, koosah, Tonedevil, Nowhere Man

        I am interested to see how teaching is similar to meat packing, or what evidence you have that standardized tests measure anything but how well children have been trained to take the test.

        Thank you.

        •  A well-designed test... (2+ / 0-)
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          ManhattanMan, Linda Wood

          ...means that 'trained for the test' and 'knows the material' are the same thing.

          If you cannot demonstrate your mastery of a subject, in what sense do you 'know' it?

          (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
          Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

          by Sparhawk on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 11:08:14 AM PST

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          •  You are right, of course. (1+ / 0-)
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            Tonedevil

            I yield to your superior knowledge of teaching, testing, and the education system.  

            •  Lol (1+ / 0-)
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              ManhattanMan

              Teaching is not some obscure priesthood where only the chosen can read the tea leaves and know mystically if children are learning or are not.

              Understanding whether someone knows or doesn't know something is a readily achievable feat. No special knowledge, insight, or education is required. All you need to do is ask them some questions on the subject matter.

              (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
              Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

              by Sparhawk on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 01:00:06 PM PST

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              •  That works for some things but not others. (2+ / 0-)
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                That will work fine for algebra. Not so much for creative writing. Some things are more subjective than others and don't fit the standardized testing model. How do you propose to evaluate an art teacher?

                "Soylent Green is a corporation!"--Mitt Romney. Eat the rich.

                by ubertar on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 01:46:48 PM PST

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                •  It won't work for writing, period (3+ / 0-)
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                  It's perfectly possible to churn out a piece of correctly spelled, correctly punctuated prose that is absolutely terrible.  Good writing is as much about breaking the rules when necessary as about obeying them, and it is impossible to test for that.

                  Besides, what style manual should we teach our children to use?  The MLA?  Strunk & White?  Turabian?  The APA?  I read about an honors student in a Western state who almost didn't get her high school diploma because she'd been taught to use Strunk & White at her high school and wasn't aware that the state aptitude test used the Chicago Manual of Style.  Even though her writing sample was perfectly grammatical and lucidly written, she flunked because she didn't follow the rules of a style manual neither she nor her teacher was aware had become the state standard.

      •  um (2+ / 0-)
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        Tonedevil, ubertar

        The failure of a top-down hierarchical system, driven by the desire to make as much money as possible, to produce wholesome food or a healthy work environment...

        is proof that schools should be run as a top-down hierarchical system driven by the desire to make as much money as possible?

        I want to limit the power of government. Specifically, I want to limit the power of government to create artificial superpeople and give them the same rights as human beings.

        by happymisanthropy on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 12:09:02 PM PST

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        •  You're wrong. (1+ / 0-)
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          Linda Wood

          Schools are currently run by a "top-down hierarchical system".

          Evaluating students is "bottom-up" beginning with the student, whose achievement reflects on his teacher, whose skills do credit to her principal and school.

          And when the school does well, middle-class families stop moving out of the district, house prices go up and tax levies get passed, and kids go to Great Colleges and everybody's happy.  

          Which is the exact opposite of the NYC Public Schools.

        •  It's not worth arguing with him (1+ / 0-)
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          Tonedevil

          Clearly ManhattanMan knows better than professional educators.  Arguing with him is fruitless.

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