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  •  if it's ok with you, as a resident of Vermont, (3+ / 0-)
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    I would like to make sure it stays that way. Unexploded nitroglycerine meets the same criteria you put out there, but that doesn't make it safe, either.
    This plant is old, it as been pushed harder for more power (profit) at the end of its original life span, it has numerous unresolved problems, and its owners have been caught repeatedly lying under oath about basic safety.
    It is not a safe thing.
    Eventually, there will be a failure due to one or more of the facts I listed above. This is an old plant run by dishonest people.

    BTW, Vermont does not have a power supply problem, and does not need the power from this plant. It's other states that are buying this power. Why should Vermont hold all the risk for this?

    Class war has consequences, and we are living them.

    by kamarvt on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 02:02:19 PM PST

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    •  Ugh. It's not 'pushed harder and harder' (0+ / 0-)

      since all plants run at 100% capacity when they can. When the don't run that way its for schedule outages or something IS wrong. There is no 'eventually fail' concept.

      It's not a state vs state thing. If that plant closes then the power it's "selling to other states" IS made up by gas and coal. The only reasons other states are not taking the risks is because of people like you who have successfully fought nuclear in those states. NH, NY and Mass all have nuclear power plants so not sure there is no 'shared risk'.

      Dr. Isaac Asimov: "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny ...'"

      by davidwalters on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 02:58:02 PM PST

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      •  please feel free to address (2+ / 0-)
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        this part of the post...

        it has numerous unresolved problems, and its owners have been caught repeatedly lying under oath about basic safety

        Now what would they have to LIE ABOUT?
         

        It is time to #Occupy Media.

        by lunachickie on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 06:42:54 PM PST

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      •  20% increase in power output (0+ / 0-)

        was the first thing Entergy went about when they bought the plant.
        I am not talking about the existing capacity of the plant at time of purchase.  They turbocharged the reactor when it was about ready to be retired. Shortly afterward, tritium-laced water started showing up in test wells around the reactor. surprise, surprise.
        As for eventual failure not being a "concept'; try this for a thought experiment;
        1. put a pot of water on the stove.
        2. walk away.
        Eventually, something will fail. Entropy is a concept that transcends any industry.

        Entergy is not living up to its commitment to maintain the plant. When caught, its executives lie. That eventually means catastrophe.
        this is not a difficult concept, unless one transposes ideals and policies over actual behaviors.
        i might be convinced that VY could be run safely for some time before being shut down, but i cannot be convinced that safety is a paramount concern for the owners, and proof abounds that Entergy is a dishonest caretaker, and cannot be trusted.

        Maybe you misunderstand my pov; i am not so much anti nuclear as i am anti corruption, anti foolish risk, and anti lying for profit at the expense of public safety.

        Class war has consequences, and we are living them.

        by kamarvt on Wed Jan 25, 2012 at 05:25:27 AM PST

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        •  I think it's good to address this in any event. (0+ / 0-)

          They did not 'turbo charge' the generator. They increased the turbine generator set to increase out put (20? sounds way to high for me). This meant they rebuilt the turbine and generator, making it essentially brand, spank'n new, a good thing. The US nuclear fleet has 'uprated' (the engineering term) many reactors to the tune of 4000 MWs or about 4 new nuclear plants without building even one. This is good, not bad.

          Tritium leaks so far have been extremely minor. That they lie about it is criminal and should be prosecuted. I'm all for that.

          Dr. Isaac Asimov: "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny ...'"

          by davidwalters on Wed Jan 25, 2012 at 07:33:37 AM PST

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      •  Crickets! (0+ / 0-)

        Hint: ignoring the points won't make them go away...

        It is time to #Occupy Media.

        by lunachickie on Wed Jan 25, 2012 at 04:13:49 PM PST

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