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  •  How do you know who did this? (1+ / 0-)
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    subtropolis

    Given that both right-leaning and left-leaning folks have attacked their own causes or even themselves, isn't it kind of early to assign blame for this?

    When a Democrat office was vandalized in 2009, the party blamed anti-Obamacare zealots for the crime, but it turned out it was a confused person who worked for SEIU.

    When Congresswoman Giffords was shot, everyone fell all over themselves pronouncing it a political hit based on right-wing invective. Sadly, it was just a crazy kid with a lot of problems.

    I don't have any reason to believe that there's anything fishy about the story except for its completely over the top nature. Why would anyone kill some campaign worker's cat to make some political point, especially one that is likely to energize the campaign?

    Isn't it possible that there's something else going on? Is it impossible that the cat got hit by a car and someone took advantage of that misfortune to create a big story?

    When outrageous events occur, we want to take decide who's to blame and to confront the outrage immediately. Unfortunately, experience has taught us that things are often not what they seem.

    My main point is that you shouldn't paint yourself into a corner. You probably don't want to find yourself having to apologize to those whom you assumed to be "rightwing terrorists" because you jumped to a conclusion without applying any degree of skepticism.

    •  the message on the cat seems a giveaway (2+ / 0-)
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      The BigotBasher, Oh Mary Oh

      and even if it was put there after a car accident, I'd say it's still political terrorism. That, however, seems far-fetched. You are reaching, and I can understand why ("the Democrat office" is sort of a giveaway). Waiting for facts is usually the best course, and people get burned when they don't. (Remember when Okla City Fed. Bldg. was obviously the work of Middle East terrorists? Or that girl with the backwards B carved on her face?)
        It seems pretty clear here, though you are correct that people like Karl Rove have a reputation for making false attacks on their own people to make the other candidate look bad. Not aware of this behavior being documented on the left, other than people on the right wanting it to be true.

       I assume it was probably just one person, and that person is apparently disturbed. that person also committed an act of terrorism (i.e., the dead cat is not liberal or conservative; the threat is to the campaign manager and his family, and to a lesser extent, presumably other perceived liberals). I don't know whether that person listens to toxic talk radio or not.

      As for why someone would do it, I can only comment on your innocent passage through the world.

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      by wasatch on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 10:49:55 AM PST

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      •  Like "FED" on Bill Sparkman was a dead giveaway? (2+ / 0-)
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        The BigotBasher, subtropolis

        If the conclusion to which everyone is jumping is true, that some right-wing terrorist killed this man's cat in an effort to intimidate anyone, it's certainly not having the intended effect. I salute anyone who stands up to perceived or actual intimidation. However, the response that's actually occurring is foreseeable to even the most dim among us. Who thinks killing a cat is actually going to intimidate anyone?

        People fake crimes against themselves for all kind of stupid reasons, and it is wise to express at least a degree of skepticism about outrageously ostentatious crime scenes. Bill Sparkman's death, originally deemed to be some sort of anti-census hate crime, has been ruled a suicide. The Memphis-area coroner found wrapped in barbed wire likely staged his own kidnapping. Tawana Brawley likely fabricated the story in which she was raped by police officers. A California college professor, Keri Dunn, staged hate crimes against herself. In the case to which you referred, Ashley Todd carved a "B" on her face and claimed a black guy did it.

        It's very sad that people feel the need to do such things to themselves.

        It doesn't help left/right folks get along if we automatically assume that assuming the worst about those with whom we disagree. It's impossible to know who killed the cat or why at this point, so why immediately blame your political opponents? The humble pie you have to eat if you're wrong doesn't taste so good.

        •  sure, but … (1+ / 0-)
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          Oh Mary Oh

          Who thinks killing a cat is actually going to intimidate anyone?

          The people who kill other peoples' cats in order to intimidate them, that's who. That's not to say that it will, of course. Keep in mind that we're talking about disturbed individuals.

          Note that i'm not claiming that that's what happened, just pointing out the flaw in your argument. It's entirely possible that someone did this with the intent to intimidate. Whether that's a realistic presumption on their part in no way precludes the possibility that it could happen.

          All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

          by subtropolis on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 01:06:44 PM PST

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        •  I'm sorry, but (1+ / 0-)
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          Oh Mary Oh

          how many more Jim Adkissons, Byron Williamses, Richard Poplawskis, Scott Roeders, Kevin Harphams, Thomas Gleasons, Jared Loughners, etc., do we have to experience before we can call it a pattern on the right?

          "People fake crimes against themselves for all kind of stupid reasons..."

          Excellent blame-the-victim logic. "Huurrr, these people faked crimes against themselves, so I'm gonna downplay the real and pervasive violence directed at liberals!"

          Right on.

          "On this subject, I do not wish to think, or speak, or write, with moderation." William Lloyd Garrison

          by HoratioGalt on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 01:27:03 PM PST

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    •  tips for good judgment (2+ / 0-)
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      Arkieboy, Oh Mary Oh

      This is the first i've heard of this, so i shouldn't weigh in. However, if it's true about the "liberal" message, then i think that speaks volumes. But that wouldn't necessarily mean this was an organised plot. I'd bet that, instead, it was perpetrated by one of his neighbours who happens to know for whom he's working. Also, someone who apparently harbours psychopathic tendencies.

      That said, i don't see any reason not to take advantage of this horrible event to garner more cash for Aden.

      All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

      by subtropolis on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 12:58:52 PM PST

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