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  •  You know that would almost be a valid argument.... (5+ / 0-)

    ...If they didn't have a history making these kind of claims against literally anything that could cut into their profits. You know - like the VHS. Or DVDs. Or MP3 Players. You know, shit which falls under fair use.

    •  Even If At Times They Cry Wolf The Theft Is Real (0+ / 0-)

      Yes, I agree with you there is a long and sordid history of greed by some of these companies.  I remember having to buy a vinyl album with eleven rotten songs just to get one good one.  They gouged and they gouged...


      The theft today is real and its not just affecting the big companies.  It is across the board.  Check into it some more.  You have book authors who see their book appear a month after release translated into Chinese and selling in China under the name of a guy no one ever heard of.

      People need to get out of their comfort zones on this.  The costs of crime, and especially IP crime, are passed in through higher prices for legitimate products.  Hence, people who buy legit are in essence subsidizing the people who go online to download illicitly for free.

      "Hidden in the idea of radical openness is an allegiance to machines instead of people." - Jaron Lanier

      by FDRDemocrat on Sat Jan 28, 2012 at 03:03:22 PM PST

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      •  Yes, let's believe industry stats! (2+ / 0-)
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        Even though they're as trustworthy as Mitt Romney's ass.

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        by The Dead Man on Sat Jan 28, 2012 at 03:57:32 PM PST

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      •  No it isn't. (2+ / 0-)
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        Copying is not "theft", even when it is copying something that has been made illegal to copy. Lots of things are made illegal, but only some of those things are "theft". Copyright infringement isn't one of them. If you want to be "real" then stop using false rhetoric to push your position.

      •  Then these corporate futhermuckers need (0+ / 0-)

        to get hip to the 'net. We're stealing becuz we already bought their crap in four different formats. We're NOT buying it again. They're just pissed becuz the tables have turned. They're not stealing us blind. We're stealing them blind.
        Dammit, how much of that $1.29 I pay for an iTunes mp3 goes to pay off the IP owners? Not the artist, just the owners of that IP? Exactly. That should "cover" any "sharing" I wish to do. But, nope. It ain't nearly enough for these IP yahoos.
        There are too many ways to "share" files across the 'Net these days. They won't be able to stop that. Well, the ONLY way they'll be able to stop that is to shut down the Internet. Which is exactly what these bills attempt to do.

      •  So why not go AFTER Chinese bootleggers (2+ / 0-)
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        ...rather than buggering up the legitimate Internet?

        Oh yeah, that's right — because buggering up the Internet is the whole point. (After all, when you're trying to artificially prop up a dying global monopoly, you can't have a bunch of democracy start creeping in all over the place...)

        Tell Congress: DON'T BREAK THE INTERNET! Learn about the OPEN Act.

        by Brown Thrasher on Sat Jan 28, 2012 at 04:21:54 PM PST

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        •  I doubt the commenting here are the creative... (0+ / 0-)

          The vast majority of people who are on the creative side would disagree with you all.  That is because they are the ones getting the shaft in terms of losing the fruits of their labors.

          If you are benefiting from ripping off others, then of course you invent all sorts of rationales to justify yourselves.  

          OF COURSE there is legitimate copying.  OF COURSE there are illegal monopolies.  OF COURSE we have to take industry statistics - like any statistics - with a grain of salt.

          That does not mean theft is not happening.  Theft on an epic scale.  Real theft.  And just because the industry is not spotless in its behavior does not give you the right to walk in the door and clean out the shelves.

          If you are taking advantage of ripping people off, then naturally you don't want to admit this and invent a bunch of straw men.

          "Hidden in the idea of radical openness is an allegiance to machines instead of people." - Jaron Lanier

          by FDRDemocrat on Mon Jan 30, 2012 at 04:06:23 PM PST

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          •  Bull. (0+ / 0-)

            Your talking points simply repeat the same bogus nonsense which your fellow content-mafia middlemen have repeated for decades with ZERO evidence.

            Indeed, as an actual member of the "creative side", I know just how much you're full of it. The Internet is essentially the only really useful venue left for the independent artist to actually expose & get paid directly for his work without "getting the shaft" from record label contracts that cede creative control in return for pennies on the dollar. (Funny how the "fruits" of the bean-counters' "labors" always end up counted as so much more important...)

            "Epic" theft? Seriously, point me to all these massive stick-ups of Borders & Best Buys that are supposed to be going on. It's not happening. Show me all these heists of master tapes that prove that certain songs can never be issued again. Guess what: Recording tech is simply not that limited in this day & age, like it or not. (The big players have certainly been stealing very real monetary assets from artists they employ by "creative accounting", though, as well as ripping off indy artists' content wholesale from YouTube& accusing the artists of stealing it. I won't hold my breath waiting to hear you complain about that, though...)

            The content fascists' war on independent creators & new media just shows their real agenda: To make sure that only CEOs with Mitt Romney's legal budget will be allowed to reap the benefits of anything-like-creative work — & that the only "creativity" allowed will be "safe", identical, mass-produced prolefeed.

            On behalf of fellow creative types here, I say to hell with that.

            Tell Congress: DON'T BREAK THE INTERNET! Learn about the OPEN Act.

            by Brown Thrasher on Mon Jan 30, 2012 at 09:21:32 PM PST

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