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  •  My 91 year old mother is horrified by these guys (36+ / 0-)

    She grew up with Republicans like Eisenhower and Nelson Rockefeller; Nelson would be a flaming liberal next to Andy Cuomo.

    She's disgusted and horrified by the clown show that the GOP has become - and I mean that in the horror movie slasher clown sense.

    "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

    by xaxnar on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 05:30:39 PM PST

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    •  I grew up with Republicans like (11+ / 0-)

      Goldwater and Nixon and their racist and Bircher followers.  Not much different from those that have followed them if one were paying attention.

      •  But... (18+ / 0-)

        Goldwater and Nixon and their followers never had the kind of total ideological and financial control of the party that the current crop of extremists enjoy. In their era, there were always moderates with significant power in the party. Those guys have been driven off over the years (many to become Blue Dog Democrats), and today 75% of even Nixon's domestic social platform would be political suicide for a Republican candidate.

        Intended to be a factual statement.

        by ipsos on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 06:06:37 PM PST

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        •  Absolutely and amen. (3+ / 0-)
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        •  That explains why the damage they (2+ / 0-)
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          did was less than what Reagan through GWB did.  Not that they were any less crazy than those running the GOP today.  But clever enough to see a path to getting the power needed to dismantle the New Deal.

          •  In those days (9+ / 0-)

            the GOP was not so much about dismantling the New Deal. They were about foreign policy and wars, and their right to stalk the earth with US man power without question.  This was VERY big for both Goldwater and Nixon.  

            At least Goldwater believed regarding Viet Nam that we either go all in and finish it with the full extent of our power or get out.  People thought that made him extreme. In those days, it was just fine to watch a steady blood river of American boys dying---I know, because I grew up watching it on the nightly news, long before they stopped showing that kind of thing---but not really do, well, you know, the big war thing.

            And Nixon, actually, was the first president to suggest the closest thing to single payer health insurance that we'd hear for decades to come.  Teddy Kennedy fought him on a detail and the whole thing collapsed.  In Kennedy's memoir, it stands as one of his biggest regrets.

            You know, Marie, I grew up under Nixon.  He was a crazy SOB.  Paranoid and unscrupulous.  But the fact is, I look back at those days, and find them less threatening than these days.  For so many reasons.

            •  Republicans have been about (1+ / 0-)
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              dismantling the New Deal since its inception.  The problem is that the voting population in 1968 mostly remembered the Great Depression and what the New Deal had given them.

              Recall that Republicans opposed foreign wars and US imperialism until WWII.   Had they not switched and become even more militarily muscular they would have remained in the political graveyard.

              Of course those days were less threatening.  There was more of an opposition party, income inequality was much lower, minimum wage was much higher, and there were good public schools and the public health system was functioning.  OTOH, those days weren't less threatening to people in Vietnam, Chile, etc.

              •  Marie, (1+ / 0-)
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                I think we're both on the same side, so I really don't want to get into a fric frac thing with you.

                But you're very wrong in your analysis that republicans opposed foreign wars and US imperialism till WWII.  Really?  Do you think WWI happened because Democrats thought it should?  NO.  Do you think Viet Nam happened because of one party?  NO.

                Same way the war in Iraq is the responsibility of BOTH Democrats and Republicans.  Really, it's pretty hard to go to war without some degree of partisan agreement.  In fact, I'm at a loss to think of any example in history where one party won out over the other and marched us all into war.

                It just doesn't happen like that. It is more a matter of our world view as Americans, in both parties, that matters.  And so far, imo, we're proving ourselves unworthy of the term "American exceptionalism."  

                To earn that, we'd have to be above and beyond the usual power hungry, arrogant, entitled voice of those who got lucky. And here in America, we really did get lucky, in so many ways.  

            •  Nixon was less threatening, unless you were being (10+ / 0-)

              drafted to be the among the last to die in the Viet Nam debacle.  He was plenty threatening to me and my friends since he and Henry the K were asking us to fight to sustain their totally discredited foreign policy, while both of their son-in-laws, David Eisenhower (who received a coveted three year stint in the Naval Reserve) and blue blood Edward Cox (who never served a day in the military) were somehow able to dodge the draft.  The Republican pattern of sending other people's son's off to die while shielding their own families from any sacrifice was well established even then.

              And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

              by MrJersey on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 07:47:41 PM PST

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              •  I agree, MrJersey. (6+ / 0-)

                Dear God, I so agree.

                I'm a woman, and have therefore never known the fear of being drafted.  And, in fact, America's young of today do not know the fear of being drafted. This is such a major difference of then vs. now it's hard to put it into words.

                But you are correct, to be a young man in the age of Nixon's pursuit in Viet Nam, was to know very real fear, every day, in every way.  

                Let me be clear that I really understand the craziness of those days under Nixon---I lost a couple of high school friends in that war. And NOTHING has ever touched, silenced and brought me to such painful tears for my country, as my visit to the Viet Nam War Memorial.

                When I said I was more scared now, it came from a different place.  One I'm not going to fight to explain here and tonight.

                I just want to say Mr. Jersey, that I heard you, and I understand your point of view.


    •  See, the thing is, that Rockefeller (1+ / 0-)
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      would be a liberal next to Cuomo, but Cuomo is a Republican, although he says he's a Democrat.  This is the problem.  There is nothing to the political left of Cuomo now.  So even if you eschew Republicans, you really have nothing else left (unintended pun) to vote for.  The organized left in this country is gone, baby, gone.  Except maybe, maybe some remnants in Madison are organizing the recall campaign of Scott Walker.

      •  he really is! (0+ / 0-)

        That is, Cuomo is really a republican. i remember listening to him in a debate before he even won, and all he talked about was how NY needed lower taxes and smaller government and he was going to chop shit mercilessly wit an ax and a machete.

        i really hope his pops tells him every day what a woeful hash he's making of the Cuomo legacy.

        "You try to vote or participate in the government/ and the muh'fuckin' Democrats is actin' like Republicans" ~ Kweli -8.00, -6.56

        by joey c on Mon Jan 30, 2012 at 12:21:16 PM PST

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