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    till the 2007-8 election cycle, when all the trope about then-candidate Obama, which had been debunked the day before, was still being regurgitated on Morning Edition the following day.

    Kathleen Sebelius 2016

    by pvlb on Sat Jan 28, 2012 at 06:54:19 PM PST

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    •  Sibelius? Really? (5+ / 0-)
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      "These are not candidates. These are the empty stand-ins for lobbyists' policies to be legislated later." - Chimpy, 9/24/10

      by NWTerriD on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 12:21:46 AM PST

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      •  This is going to be a long answer. (4+ / 0-)

        It is just my gut feeling, but I think that President Obama is going to help break another 'glass ceiling', this time, mentoring some woman to be a viable candidate for President.  

        So, under that feeling, I've started wondering who that is likely to be.

        Aside from Secretary Clinton, who has long made clear she is 'done' after this round as SoS, who is the high-profile woman in this administration?

        Kathlene Sebelius.

        She has all she needs to be a viable national candidate.

        She's a former governor.
        She's a Democrat elected in a red state, and was viewed highly favorably in that context.
        She's a former state insurance commissioner.
        She is personable, and attractive (sorry, but that's just a friggin' requirement since the Kennedy/Nixon televised debates).
        She's been an effective HHS Secretary (regardless of what some people think about some of her individual decisions).
        The only downside, is she's a little on the old side  (for a female candidate) in 2016.  And yes, that sounds sexist, but I'm a pragmatist, and I view things in the context of how things are, not how they should be.

        Kathleen Sebelius 2016

        by pvlb on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 12:23:29 PM PST

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        •  Great idea! (4+ / 0-)

          The thing is, you might have the wrong woman.
             The first woman president might just be the one who follows a similar path to Barack Obama himself, i.e. becoming a U.S. Senator 4 years before the next presidential election.
             I'm talking about Elizabeth Warren, a woman of intelligence, integrity, and who possesses the common touch.

          "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

          by elwior on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 01:15:11 PM PST

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          •  Although I'd love to see it, (2+ / 0-)
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            my hunch is that she is too identified with the Occupy/inequality ideas to make it through the 'Pub acid bath. Obama was (and is) a centrist, let's-get-everybody's-input fellow, which is a better place to start.

            Corporations are people, my friend Yeah, well, so's Soylent Green, so I don't find that very comforting. New video: Not Enough (HD)

            by Crashing Vor on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 01:39:00 PM PST

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            •  Liz Warren is not a radical. (3+ / 0-)

              She's a Populist, and there's a very big difference there. She's pretty much mainstream, knowing full well how the system works and how it's supposed to work.
                  In other words, she is coming from within the system and wanting the system to work well and work right. This is for the benefit of all, including, but not limited to, those who are presently getting screwed.

              "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

              by elwior on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 02:06:25 PM PST

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              •  Elizabeth Warren is all well and (1+ / 0-)
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                good, but not pragmatic.

                I like Warren, don't misunderstand.

                But, she doesn't have the administrative (Governor) experience (don't forget, The President was the first senator elected in a long time), or the long history in elected politics and all those hard knocks.  

                She's not radical, but she's perceived that way.

                To get that female glass ceiling broken, pragmatism should be the first line of thinking.  

                That's just my opinion.

                Kathleen Sebelius 2016

                by pvlb on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 02:41:54 PM PST

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                •  Barack Obama was elected because he connected (1+ / 0-)
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                  with people.
                     There was a quality we saw in him which transcended all of the mundane considerations. It's charisma, yes, but it's also the quality of inspiring trust in others.
                     Elizabeth Warren has that quality as well. It's why so many people encouraged her to run. It's why she's got a nice lead already on Scott Brown this early on, even before she's officially nominated.
                     Actually, Liz has got this quality even more than Barack Obama did. She's got a genuineness about her that you rarely see in politicians, and she's got that spark too, which the president possesses (in abundance).
                     This Nation is ready for a woman president. Hillary Clinton could step up right now and do it, but she's neither got the timing on her side now, nor the fire in the belly which she had so much of 4 years ago. But four years from now, Elizabeth Warren could well be ready.
                     There are other terrific Democratic women, Kathleen Sebelius being one of them, Barbara Boxer, Janet Napalitano, Kirstin Gillebrand (Not Jennifer Granholm though because she was born in Canada), but none of these women (IMHO) carry the potential for a successful run (except Hillary) that Elizabeth Warren does.

                  "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

                  by elwior on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 03:08:07 PM PST

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        •  And she's a Moocher Lover (2+ / 0-)
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          That's (almost) enough to make me vote for her right there.

          But I agree with your assessment.  I've been watching Sebelius for a few years now and I like both her style and her substance.

          Definitely worth taking a good look at for national office.

          Don't practice. Train.--Brian Harvey

          by luvsathoroughbred on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 02:35:39 PM PST

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