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  •  Attachment to our gender roles (3+ / 0-)

    AND attachment to our genitals. Our genitals are a very important part of our identity that goes way beyond just our culturally created gender roles. What we do with our genitals is primal and instinctual. They're physically sensitive parts of our bodies that we protect and value. We hide them, we show them off. And when you talk about removing those genitals or transforming them thru surgery, it triggers something inside of us. I know the first time somebody told me what transgender surgery was, I had a similar reaction to when I see some guy get kicked in the nuts. And that had nothing to do with gender roles.

    There are plenty of people who are perfectly fine with discarding gender roles and screwing with people who are bizarrely attached to them (i.e. thru drag), who experience an "ick factor" when talking about transgender people.

    But yea, for most people it's both the attachment to gender roles and their attachment to their genitals.

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    by Marc in CA on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 09:14:51 PM PST

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    •  hmmm (1+ / 0-)
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      ..."issues of embodiment" covers the same ground in a slightly less inflammatory fashion, lol :}  

      It comes back to what you said upthread about knowing someone and being able to see through their eyes, a little.  Neither my twat or whether I'm wearing a dress or jeans are important in any real way in terms of the civil rights of a class of people, who suffer stunning levels of unemployment and alienation from society.  

      ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

      by jessical on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 09:31:25 PM PST

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        Neither my twat or whether I'm wearing a dress or jeans are important in any real way in terms of the civil rights of a class of people

        Oh, of course it doesn't. That wasn't what I was saying at all. I was commenting purely on what drives the "ick factor" that Scott was referring to.

        I'm unfamiliar with the term "issues of embodiment." Could you educate me or provide me with some linkage so I can self-educate? :-)

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        by Marc in CA on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 09:36:17 PM PST

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        •  I was just... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...trying to rephrase.  How a person lives in their body, what shape their body has, whether it's OEM or aftermarket...that stuff.  

          And you're correct.  Its just...right where people go.   And I wonder, over and over, why.  It isn't simple.  I mean, people get all twisted up over the kind of sex us queer folks have, right?  But ultimately I don't know if that twisting up is any more inherent than the "have you had the operation" (tones of horror) thing.   We've been really successful at putting forward a vision of teh gay that most Americans can see themselves in, even if not directly...what gay folks do in bed is not the first thing on the agenda.  How do we get to a similar place for trans folks?  Anyway, must stop typing this stuff and do homework or this trans person will flunk out :}

          ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

          by jessical on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 09:42:22 PM PST

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