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  •  Question. Why is it ok or legal for a school to (12+ / 0-)

    send a minor to a hospital for psych eval???  As done to the 5 yr old mentioned in the diary ( link) without parental consent?

    •  This is what I (6+ / 0-)

      want to know as well.  As of when could medical treatment be provided without parents consent?  

      "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

      by zaka1 on Mon Jan 30, 2012 at 06:10:50 PM PST

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      •  And in this case it is NOT for treatment but for (6+ / 0-)

        a psych eval.  Maybe that is the why of calling the police.  I am guessing the police have authority to have humans committed for a psych eval...even a minor (?)

        I realize that I am, um, older & no longer have children in regular ed public school.  So I may be out of touch with many changes in school admin.

        But.  If someone did this or had done this to any of my children, I would be livid.  And frankly, I would do everything in my power to ensure that checks & balances were in place so that it never occurred again-to anyone's child.

        Just reading this diary make me very angry, horrified & sad to know that society thinks it is just ok to do these things now.

        Frankly, I feel that some of this world's population has gone mad.  Or are too robotic to think critically, outside the box or use common sense.

        •  A psych eval (2+ / 0-)
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          is medical treatment.  I'm older too, but still it is medical treatment and the parents need to be notified prior if the child is a minor.

          "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

          by zaka1 on Mon Jan 30, 2012 at 07:41:01 PM PST

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    •  There may be extinuating circumstances... (2+ / 0-)
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      ....if the child is violent or in an altered mental state.  I realize the article says "tantrum" but it's not clear exactly what is meant by that.  

      A prolonged fit of rage and/or threat of violence to staff or other children could be seen as a "tantrum" but would be more serious than that.

      If this were a matter of physical injury I doubt that anyone would object to a child being taken to the hospital for treatment without parental consent.  

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      by DawnG on Mon Jan 30, 2012 at 09:03:34 PM PST

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      •  I agree that in cases of medical issues treatment (1+ / 0-)
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        should be sought.  I filled out clinic cards for 15 years to insure this for my now adult children as well as kept updated records for each of my students.  Currently, I complete detailed paperwork each year for my child in special ed that covers this & more.

        What I cannot wrap my mind around is why the parent was not called for consent of the psych eval and/or to go pick up the child.

        If this was a one time occurance re the 5 year old- the over-reaction is stunning & alarming.

        If this was not a first occurrance, then the school system failed on multiple levels.  

        Whatever the actual case is, what cannot be overlooked is that a 5 year old child was handcuffed, put into a strange vehicle, transported to a psychiatric facility for x amount of hours of "observation"-all without a parent or loved one involved.  I cannot even guess what that does to a child's psyche & for how long.

        I am concerned about trends- especially where the rights of a child and parent are ignored or circumvented & can (& do) lead to tragic consequences.

        It is awful scary to read about these cases, so it is normal to assume mitigating circumstances or an isolated incident in a far away state or school fear of lawsuits or brat child-brat parent syndrome.

        Sadly & tragically, as long as the public assumes these things and takes no action these incidents continue unabated & the victims as well as professionals in law enforcement & school systems will continue to have little to no supports or resources or needed trainings available.

    •  IDEA violation, (0+ / 0-)

      I would think.  If a school suspects a disability, and IEP team meeting should be called, including the parents, and the parents have the right to opt out of the process.

      •  But that would happen (1+ / 0-)
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        after the child is arrested. What can the parent and child do to protect the child beforehand?  I don't really know.  Some disabled children will be able to follow through with these suggestions, and others not.  

        They should have safe places and school and home should be the safest places, but school, at least, is one of the least safe places to send a child anymore. There's no guarantee a child will be kept safe, from adults or bullying peers.

        I worry about the learning disabled the most in scenarios of abuse of authority by adults, of these children, who may be barely able to cope with the world, with being arrested when they act out their fruistrations and fears.

        All knowledge is worth having.

        by Noddy on Tue Jan 31, 2012 at 10:27:52 AM PST

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      •  I had some experience (1+ / 0-)
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        with this situation, and managed to avoid police or other outside interventions by including crisis intervention procedures in the IEP and by getting the school to agree (through mediations and hearings) to hiring behavior intervention aides and specialists, including 1:1 support.

        •  Good for you, Just Saying!! Very sad that this HAS (1+ / 0-)
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          to be the standard & one which too many parents are not aware of.  I know what you had to go through & hope things have improved.  Heart hugs & please take gentle care of self.

          As general info:
          Whether reg ed or sp ed, even a simple letter on file with both school & county or an "official"behavoir plan offer protections many are unaware of.

          Before the world went insane, back when my adult kiddos were in school, I wrote an annual first day of school letter stating no corporal punishment etc. Back then the horror stories floating around was about abusive paddling & such.

          Little did I realize then that someday people would need to do the same regarding seclusion rooms, restraints, adversives or arrests, etal...

          •  I like the letter idea! Also, (0+ / 0-)

            one of the best protections my child had was a daily log (notebook) back and forth with notes and comments between me and the "resource specialist" (case manager/main teacher).  I was kept informed of potential problems, and could offer suggestions (and vice versa).  This was also written in the IEP, to make sure it happened, but it can be done on an informal basis.

            •  Just make sure you write (or copy) the letter (2+ / 0-)
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              every single school year & give to the school & if necessary, a copy to the county superintendent.  

              Sigh, I am not kidding, this is necessary.

              I used notebooks for my own class & so when I became little being's Mama, I did same.  Although it is in the IEP (14 years now), the notebook sometimes gets left at school so a gentle reminder is sometimes needed.

              Another handy thing about the notebooks is the yearly record that one can always go back & reference..or use as a keepsake :)

              After a child died from being in a seclusion room (another county), I wrote this detailed letter outlining everything I could think of that we did not give permission for (including withholding of food/snack) & included rah rah things.  Heh, almost gave the principal heart failure when he read it or so I was told.  Oh well...

              Our child cannot tell us if something happens or if someone uses inappropriate techniques.  So we monitor & advocate.

               That being said, we also strive to be supportive but equal partners with all who work with our child.

              Despite all these safeguards & personally being an advocate at local & state levels for a bazillion years, one year resulted in the need to actually hire an educational/parent advocate (mainly so I would not go ballistic).

               And so it goes.  We've been lucky aside from that one year.  Others not so much.  So I advocate for them.

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