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  •  Not "THE Dems", But 6 Dems - 19 Stayed True (1+ / 0-)
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    I know that 1 bad apple can ruin the whole bunch, but blame the bad apple and not the whole bunch.

    For example, 60% of White-Americans voted for the TeaBigots in the 2010 elections, giving the Repubs control of not only the House, but many State governments.

    So I should blame ALL White-Americans for this? After all, this is a case where the MAJORITY of White-Americans voted for Repubs.

    The CA single-payer case is one where a small MINORITY of Dems voted Nay, yet you blame "the Dems".


    I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Republican Party.

    by OnlyWords on Tue Jan 31, 2012 at 10:16:58 AM PST

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    •  the party is torn, in a zero-sum game (2+ / 0-)
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      between the demands of its voters and its donors. the party will pass all sorts of legislation when it is safely under veto threat, but then somehow comes just a few votes short when the threshold for passage changes.

      one reason why i would like to see the 2/3 threshold for taxes gotten rid of here in CA, and the senate filibuster in the federal government junked as well, is to reveal just how many dems are actually willing to pass their own platform, and how many are just playing games and cashing checks. after enough of these close votes, that shift depending on the different barriers to becoming law, it makes one a bit cynical as to whether any of them have any intention at passing anything they campaign on.

      i know there are good democrats, my state reps lois wolk and mariko yamada certainly count among them. but let us not kid ourselves about the fact that the party as a whole is beholden to two very different set of interests, and our interests appear to be on the losing side when there is no GOP veto to blame.

      i do not see this as a hopeless pyrrhic task, not at all. by all means let us try to hector them into doing their jobs. i just think it a bit naive to pretend that this is a few bad apples, and that insurance industry money doesn't buy democrats as easily as republicans. we are fighting uphill, and the fight is harder now that it has a chance of passage.

    •  There are ALWAYS just enough "bad apples" (0+ / 0-)

      to spoil it for the 99%. The Democrats just take turns. No matter how many Democrats there are, the plutocrats will be able to buy, intimidate, coerce just enough to win...

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