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  •  the right (41+ / 0-)

    Doesn't worry about whether people know who ACORN is, or George Soros, or Saul Alinsky or Rev. Wright, they just demonize, demonize demonize until people are scared of them.

    ALEC does a pretty good job self-demonizing by virtue of what it is.  You just have to tell people about them, no demonization required.

    •  Good point, Scientician (14+ / 0-)

      It's quite apparent that legislators do not write legislation anymore, staff people and lobbyists do that work. Not only should we get rid of 90% of all lobbyists and 100% of all legislators caught doing this sloppy business (for an "appropriate" incentive, of course), we should cut back their staff support so they'll have to do at least some their own work.

      Eliminate tax breaks that stimulate the offshoring of jobs.

      by RJDixon74135 on Wed Feb 01, 2012 at 01:14:09 PM PST

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      •  I have to wonder if they can even type. (4+ / 0-)

        #OccupyOMC - "We have a permit, its called The Constitution".

        by Evolutionary on Wed Feb 01, 2012 at 06:43:50 PM PST

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      •  We need to take this to the state races. (1+ / 0-)
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        They have become more important because of Wisconsin , Ohio, Michigan and Florida. Voters are more aware of how important those races are to them and that they need to get out and vote for those seats as much as for POTUS and congressional races. Even get out and work for the campaigns.  

        What is interesting to me is that the corporations have pooled the money for lobbying at the state level to get a lot more for their buck at 50 state legislatures. The astronomical amount they spend at the national level is one significant 'cost of doing business'. To put an effective amount in to the state legislatures is adding an ugly penny for their goals. The fact that Burgin was elected so young with the corporate money is another important piece.

        My ex was hired to the newly developed Director of Hazardous Waste position for the AK Dept of Environmental Conversation (my spelling) in '80. He had been hired after graduating from Drexel U with his MS in Environmental Eng the year before ('79) by Hooker 'the Love Canal' Chemicals in Niagra Falls as that site was being cleaned up. Hooker had given the new EPA some muscle in the national implementation of the agency's program, especially at the state level.

        He learned a lot about the corporate mind think at Hooker. In a lot of ways, corporations can benefit from regulations being forced to meet minimum or adequate standards because all of them have to. Alan probably had more problems with the union workers there than he did the company. (They hated wearing the personal protective equipment required by EPA standards.)

        The Alaska DEC job was a mind chilling experience. The oil companies would write the legislation and take it to a legislator, who would check the spelling, grammar, change some of the wording if really necessary and submit the bill, which would pass no matter how much effort he put in to explaining what was wrong with it. He only stayed two years. Years later he worked the Valdez spill as a private contractor, finding out that the regulations he had put in place for central location of spill response equipment and annual spill drills had been abandoned since, making the response a completely baked farce.

        The oil companies mostly learned how to make themselves look ok in a spill, not what to do to prevent or clean it up. (One of his biggest issues was Exxon coming out a few years later advertising that their tankers were all double hulled. The Valdez had been 5 years overdue for meeting the double hull regulation when it hit Bligh Reef.)

        Now they go to the ALEC conferences and it's all figured out and written for them. (I have to wonder if the future conferences will delete the intro or highlight it with the reminder it needs to be remove before submitting in a real world setting.) They haven't come a long way, just made it cheaper and easier to implement the old way.

        "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

        by Ginny in CO on Thu Feb 02, 2012 at 09:24:16 PM PST

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      •  The big problem with the lobbying... (1+ / 0-)
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        Isn't so much the lobbying itself, it's the perks and the soft bribes and the favor exchanging that goes along with most of it. There isn't anything wrong with being able to request x or y. There is an issue if you request x it in everyone's best interest and feasible but denied because a palm was not greased where y was bad for nearly everyone but got pushed through on a wave of dark money.

    •  Yeah but (0+ / 0-)

      the right had ACORN in the news a zillion times. They were constantly demonizing ACORN, and so were right politicians. Why aren't Democrats doing that with ALEC? Bringing them to the public's attention at every opportunity?

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