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  •  Rachel Maddow did a great segment recently... (10+ / 0-)

    ...on that Michigan river spill.  It just left me shaking my head that those in power are so eager to ignore the reality of tar sands oil.  That that spilled is almost two years old and they still haven't gotten it cleaned up (after having initially said it'd only take about a month to clean the river) is amazing.  To me it reveals that those in power either are ignorant or are lying to us.

    On a side note, I'm getting so sick and tired of tv advertisements about how clean natural gas is.

    •  Natural Gas is clean (relatively)... (0+ / 0-)

      ....and its low price has enabled many working and middle-class families to affordably heat their homes.

      Had it not been for fracking, the price per BTU would have been 12 dollars, not today's 4 dollars.

      That's a savings of 67%.

      And easily over 700 dollars saved per household per year.

      Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. http://www1.hamiltonproject.org/es/hamilton/hamilton_hp.htm

      by PatriciaVa on Tue Mar 13, 2012 at 03:01:49 PM PDT

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      •  It might be cleaner... (4+ / 0-)

        ...compared to coal and oil, but it is not clean.  Stepping in a pile of dog poop might be cleaner than stepping in a pile of horse poop, but it's not clean, you've still got poop on your shoe.  Same with natural gas.  Even the use of the word "natural" is an act of marketing; if only we call it "natural" people will think it's good for them.  It's all an illusion to manipulate people into not recognizing reality.

        •  80% of Americans told the NYTimes that they are... (0+ / 0-)

          ...worse off than they were 4 years ago.

          So, if it takes marketing for an environmentally-conscious family to feel better about using natural gas, thereby enabling them to save hundreds of dollars, I applaud that effort.

          Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. http://www1.hamiltonproject.org/es/hamilton/hamilton_hp.htm

          by PatriciaVa on Tue Mar 13, 2012 at 03:15:13 PM PDT

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        •  The Republican solution to the unacceptable... (2+ / 0-)
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          risk of irreparable environmental damage presented by this pipeline...

          • 91 significant Keystone XL spills can be expected over 50 years. A previous study concluded that “…[T]he benzene released by a Keystone XL worst-case spill to groundwater in the Sandhills region of Nebraska would be sufficient to contaminate 4.9 billion gallons of water at concentrations exceeding the safe drinking water levels. [The spill] would pose serious health risks to people using that groundwater for drinking water and irrigation.”
          ... is to use the tried and true, three-pronged strategy:

          • lower environmental standards and de-fund the EPA
          • scream, "It's a liberal conspiracy!!" at the top of their lungs
          • pray to the almighty gods of the free market whilst holding their breath and sticking their head in the sand.

          That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history. ~ Aldous Huxley

          by markthshark on Tue Mar 13, 2012 at 03:56:57 PM PDT

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      •  any process that uses & despoils as much potable (1+ / 0-)
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        water as fracking for NG does cannot remotely by called "clean (relatively)"! endangering and destroying drinkable water reserves is simply NOT a reasonable trade!

        "real" work : a job where you wash your hands BEFORE you use the bathroom...

        by chimene on Tue Mar 13, 2012 at 07:39:26 PM PDT

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        •  And, we in the SW worry about water. (2+ / 0-)
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          There is a dam about 75 miles north of here that controls the Rio Grande. Water is so scarce, there was talk about moving the dam to Colorado because it's cooler, thus less evaporation. Additionally, several desalinization plants have been opened in order to salvage all the water we can. Every time I hear about Keystone it aggravates me. If that crap sinks immediately to the riverbed, how easily can it seep into the aquifers? Native American saying, "We don't inherit the land from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children." And all those bastards care about is leaving our children in debt.

          Your left is my right---Mort Sahl

          by HappyinNM on Wed Mar 14, 2012 at 08:14:24 PM PDT

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    •  Rachel Maddow's piece on tar sand clean-up (0+ / 0-)

      Rachel had a good piece on the clean-up of tar sand spillage.  Seems like the stuff DOES NOT float and could be on the bottom of water, mixing with the sand/dirt on the bottom.

      Segment starts at about 6:00 mins - the bad stuff at about 7:20 min and on.

      Ref. the link again: (Mar 9, show) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/...

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