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  •  Thanks for the diary, CH (7+ / 0-)

    Scary.  I get the feeling that for the climate change deniers & all the rest of the folks who are sitting on the fence about this.

    They will be convinced when their back yard burns down, or their house is swept away by some tidal wave due to the weather changes.  I've always felt that it's better to use the phrase 'climate change' rather than global warming because people will find 1 million excuses that it just ain't so.  But with climate change...oh yeah.

    Too bad about all those folks changing their minds at the last second....too late then.  

    •  What is it going to take? (4+ / 0-)
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      My fear is that it'll be a Millie Dowler event. That is, it won't be piece of evidence upon piece of evidence; it'll be one cute young girl that you can prove died because of climate change, and then people will act.

      That's a Poisson distributed random variable and I haven't the slightest idea what the time constant might be.

      In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'ya aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il ya toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

      by blue aardvark on Thu Feb 02, 2012 at 03:13:19 PM PST

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      •  There are some that no longer deny it's (9+ / 0-)

        happening. I have to deal with some of these people. They either just deny it's being caused by burning fossil fuels or will flat out tell you that we can't do anything about it if China and India aren't on board.

        It's like they want to play a giant game of chicken; who is going to cut their emissions first. All while people's lives hang in the balance and they don't care. If you try telling them we'll never have the leverage to force change in China or India unless we take steps ourselves, they don't want to hear about it. They won't let go of their precious fossil fuel industry. Even while we're careening over the cliff.

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        by Siri on Thu Feb 02, 2012 at 03:42:06 PM PST

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        •  My response to people who want to wait (3+ / 0-)
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          for China is to say: "If you're going bankrupt, and you can't reduce your rent, does that mean you shouldn't economize elsewhere?"

          The real solution, of course, is climate tariffs.

          In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'ya aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il ya toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

          by blue aardvark on Thu Feb 02, 2012 at 03:45:10 PM PST

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      •  For the answer, (6+ / 0-)

        look to Easter Island.  All those giant heads, carved with loving care.  They stand silently, gazing out at the ocean in front of them, all the people vanished long ago.

        It's my understanding that the people on Easter Island cut down all the trees, thereby guaranteeing their own demise:

        Jared Diamond explains that a few centuries after Easter Island’s initial colonization the resource needs of the growing population had begun to outpace the island's capacity to renew itself ecologically. By the 1400s the forests had been entirely cut, the rich ground cover had eroded away, the springs had dried up, and the vast flocks of birds coming to roost on the island had disappeared. With no logs to build canoes for offshore fishing, with depleted bird and wildlife food sources, and with declining crop yields because of the erosion of good soil, the nutritional intake of the people plummeted. First famine, then cannibalism, set in. Because the island could no longer feed the chiefs, bureaucrats and priests who kept the complex society running, the resulting chaos triggered a social and cultural collapse. By 1700 the population dropped to between one-quarter and one-tenth of its former number, and many of the statues were toppled during supposed “clan wars” of the 1600 and 1700’s. The social and cultural collapse continued following the arrival of the Europeans, particularly the slavers who raped and murdered the islanders, introduced small pox and other diseases, and brutally removed the natives to mainland South America.
        nice, cannibalism.

        What do you think is amiss in our brains?  that we always go for the short-term over the long-run good decisions & future happiness.  And listen to the warnings of the few smart people who can see a little further down the road.

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