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  •  A substantive response. Thanks so much. (0+ / 0-)

    I do appreciate hearing from someone who has worked inside the institutions in question.

    While I agree that the Calvinists were whack jobs from the beginning (and therefore, the Puritans too), there were also perfectly sane Protestants, such as Lutherans or Church of England.

    I would counter that your perspective raises my eyebrows, as well.

    Unless you like owning three centuries of European religious wars, a few million witch-burnings, the rape of Ireland and the final and irrevocable loss of living mystical practice in western Christianity.
    Well, both sides were happy to start the "religious" wars, so much of which were about property grabs and imperial ambitions. I will grant that the rape of Ireland went on longer than the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre, or the Spanish war on Jews in Spain, or the destruction of Bohemia by Catholic armies.

    As for witch burnings, it was a Catholic Inquisitor who wrote

    The Malleus Maleficarum  (Latin for "Hammer of the Witches", or "Der Hexenhammer" in German) is an infamous treatise on witches, written in 1486 by Heinrich Kramer, an Inquisitor  of the Catholic Church, and was first published in Germany in 1487.

    - Wikipedia

    By my count, 1487 is 30 years BEFORE Luther.

    My point here is not to compete about who killed more people or committed more grievous wrongs. My point is that no one can claim any moral high ground. Both sides came out of the period covered in mud and blood.

    As for mystical practice, it was the persecution of the Cathars by the Inquisition that snuffed any kind of esoteric/body-based practice in Christianity.  I really don't see how you can blame the PR for that, since it was done 200 years before the PR. (To be clear: I don't consider communion wine to be mystical practice. Its just another ritual. Another "controversy"  not worth an iota of difference.)

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    Also, I question your assumption that we have completely lost the Rooseveltian compromise. For the moment, we still have Social Security and Medicare. I think that killing the unemployment insurance extension will not help the GOP, either. That is why I ask people to defend those New Deal programs.

    America is the most backward of 1st world countries, and getting more backwards by the day, so I can see how you would be willing to pronounce the New Deal already deceased. But social welfare is still practiced in Europe.

    More and more, I think the demonization of France by the Cheney neocons was really the demonization of a strong social safety net and strong unions that are typical of European regulated capitalism. You don't hear much negativity about France from TPTB since that strutting neoliberal Sarkozy got in.

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    So, again, thanks for your interesting perspective and your polite comments.

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