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    that's not my experience. In fact, friends of mine who are Asian-American fear for their jobs going to Asia just as I do.

    This is a stupid ad. And the message is the twisted logic Rush and Hannity use all the time.

    But on an emotional level it resonates and plays on people's fears.

    But the Left just proclaiming racism doesn't mean we have countered the underlying message and make people not want to vote for him.

    •  So now you're using the "some of my friends are" (0+ / 0-)

      defense?

      Look at American history. Whenever a country or region has been demonized, racism against people from that area follows.

      "I hope; therefore, I can live."
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      by tietack on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 07:45:07 AM PST

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    •  What is the underlying message conveyed through... (4+ / 0-)

      the usage of the racist pidgeon speak?

      I seriously don't know why you continue to confuse the issue here. The debate about Chinese trade policy is a reasonable discussion to have but that's not what's happening here.

      Although we should continue to discuss Chinese trade policy saying that we should treat this commercial seriously would be the same as saying we should offer a calm policy response to an add that contained a minstrel actor in black face praising Democratic welfare policy.

      25, originally OK-1, currently NY-8. Former swingnut.

      by okiedem on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 07:50:07 AM PST

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      •  I'm (0+ / 0-)

        not really confused. I'm not defending it.

        I'm trying to point out, on a base level, why this works.

        Even if this is denounced in the media people who see this ad still absorb the message unconsciously and it fuels their fears.

        People are scared in this country. They are losing their jobs

        This works.

        •  The jobs were lost years ago (2+ / 0-)
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          People are gaining jobs. Even in manufacturing. And we trade now with China more than ever.

          This ad doesn't work. It makes an illogical argument making weird suggestions that have little evidence in truth and are presented poorly.

          People who are racists will enjoy this ad. Unemployed people, even in Michigan, will not find this ad useful in any way.

          "What if you're on a game show one day and the name of some random New Jersey state senator is the only thing between you and several thousand dollars? And you'll think to yourself, "if only I had clapped faster." - sapelcovits

          by rdw72777 on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 07:58:28 AM PST

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            Right has been worked into a frenzy over the deficit these past few years.

            I don't really know why they care since the money is never going to be paid back but they're bought the argument that we "need to get our spending under control" blah blah blah.

            This couples that fear with the fear more spending makes us weaker.

            I think it works on the average person who leans Right.

            I may be wrong.

            •  This might be the issue (1+ / 0-)
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              The definition of average right leaning voter. I don't think your normal moderate Republican buys into this.

              I think there is the false belief sometimes that moderate Republicans are dead simply because they are dead in Congress. there are still quite a few GOPers in America who are moderate and even toe the line between the party platforms (i.e culturally conservative union members, gun owning people in the blue trending areas in the south, etc).

              But the average right leaning GOPer (i.e. upper-middle class Philly suburbs, upstate NY rural folks) this doesn't play well. And I have a hard time seeing Michigan being extremely far to the right of these 2 populations.

              "What if you're on a game show one day and the name of some random New Jersey state senator is the only thing between you and several thousand dollars? And you'll think to yourself, "if only I had clapped faster." - sapelcovits

              by rdw72777 on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 08:13:14 AM PST

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        •  I really don't agree... (2+ / 0-)
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          Hoekstra is receiving pretty massive blowback from this across the political spectrum.

          http://politicalwire.com/...

          Certainly he might have gotten some mileage by creating an emotionally evocactive ad about Chinese trade policy (images of shuttered factories, laid off workers, humming Chinese sweatshops etc.) but that's just not what he did here.

          I'm going to drop it after this, but unless you believe there is a deep well of racism against Asians there is really no way this ad works.

          25, originally OK-1, currently NY-8. Former swingnut.

          by okiedem on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 07:58:56 AM PST

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