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    is basically an oxymoron. They are putting Catholic first rather than hospital -- a place that is staffed by people who took an oath to "do no harm." A place that should provide all health care. They've already skated on life saving abortions.

    The backlash from bishops and hard core Catholics is inconsequential since they vote Republican anyway. They can feel free not to provide full women's health care -- they should just give up all government funding and depend on donations from the anti-women crowd.

    Vi er alle norske " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 06:51:41 AM PST

    •  Question: How important is the Catholic League... (1+ / 0-)
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      Do they wade into all of this or are they still more concerned about Hollywood's portrayal of the Church?

      •  I haven't thought about (3+ / 0-)
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        The Catholic League in decades. The only two Catholic churches I attend (not every week) are very progressive and do amazing work for the poor communities. One has already been threatened by the bishop -- he was going to raze the Church (the oldest Cath. church in Hartford) and sell the land to Aetna for a parking lot.

        Sadly, for the bishop, prominent, wealthy Catholics, Protestants and Jews who support the Church humiliated him publically. The Catholic League is comparable to the Phelps crowd of haters for me -- ergo, fringe. Here's their website. Do you see anything there about social justice or the "civil rights" which they proclaim as the center of their existence?

        Vi er alle norske " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

        by gchaucer2 on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 07:14:08 AM PST

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    •  Hospitals not necessarily church-run anyway (2+ / 0-)
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      The "Catholic" hospital in my city is no longer operated by the Poor Clares. It's not run by the local diocese, either. There is some foundation whose board members happen to be Catholic.

      It's a corporation, no different than any other private hospital. And the idea that it's non-profit is a joke.

      I've never used the facility myself on grounds that it is anti-woman. My parents used it for years, though. So
      I will say this for the Poor Clares. They ran a top-notch community hospital and served their patients without regard for ability to pay.

      Now it's all about VIP suites and orthopedic surgeries for pro athletes. On the general wards, they are chronically in violation of staff/patient ratios and leave patients to rot. If you are medically indigent, they will stabilize you (kinda sorta maybe) and move you to the university teaching hospital, which is public and turns away no one as a matter of state law.

      The "Catholic" hospital here is no different than any other corporate hospital. It shouldn't be exempt from the laws that apply to other corporate hospitals. If they want federal funding, they can provide medical care without imposing their religion on employees or patients.

      Just because you're not a drummer doesn't mean that you don't have to keep time. -- T. Monk

      by susanala on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 07:35:46 AM PST

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    •  OK- True story- (0+ / 0-)

      I was born in a Catholic hospital in Boston. I was significantly (!!) premature, and, honestly, not expected to survive very long.

      One of the nurses took it upon herself to have me baptized in some sort of emergency ceremony @ the hospital chapel. My folks didn't find out until it was done.

      Yep, took it upon herself to qualify me for Hell- just in case I didn't last long enough for my folks to do it.

      Catholic first, damned straight. They shouldn't even have had me out of the incubator.

    •  That is the element that is completely missed... (0+ / 0-) those who are crying about how this is going to harm the president's chances with Catholics (with one columnist I normally agree with, E.J. Dionne, who led off a column claiming that the president was throwing "progressive Catholics under the bus" (the quote was prominently played up in a piece that was shown on my area's Fox affiliate (and was prepared, not surprisingly, by the political whorehouse that calls itself "Fox news."

      "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." --Gandhi

      by alaprst on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 10:21:00 AM PST

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