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  •  It doesn't pay taxes itself, so any public (5+ / 0-)
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    services that it utilizes (streets, police, fire, etc.) are paid for by all of the rest of us. I pay for the police protection afforded to the local parish, it does not.

    That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

    by enhydra lutris on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 09:38:43 AM PST

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    •  Aren't they are also paid for (0+ / 0-)

      by the members of that parish. If the parish closed, there would still be streets, police,fire etc.

      Of course 'the church' doesn't use roads, people do. And i expect that those people pay taxes, even the parish priest.

      •  Yes, everybody pays, except the church. We (6+ / 0-)

        all pay income taxes on our incomes, and property taxes on our property, except the churches. We all pay for the police except the church. Sure, the streets and cops would still exist and be needed without the church, but why should they be allowed to be free-loaders. Why should I have to support them? They aren't my dependents. They certainly aren't indigent. The streets in their vicinity get excessive wear, not unlike in a commercial district, yet they don't even pay base taxes, let alone commercial license fees. The church uses cops, and it uses streets, becasue it would not be able to fleece service it's clientele without them. Like any other corporation, it is independent of its customers and employees, and uses any and all services which enable those customers and employees to avail themselves of the goods and services it provides. Safeway pays income and property taxes and business license fees, CVS pays income and property taxes and business license fees; I pay income and property taxes, as do my neighbors, the church pays nothing.

        That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

        by enhydra lutris on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 10:37:13 AM PST

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        •  Don't (0+ / 0-)

          the activities of the church also lessen the burdens of government, feeding the poor, medical care, making better citizens.

          I imagine that the charitable deduction is in recognition of those benefits it provides to society.

          •  No. What feeding of the poor they do might (3+ / 0-)
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            or might not fall to government. There are tons of secular charities that also do such things. They don't provide medical care, which is part of what this is about. They do run some hospitals, partly funded by the government, and partly paid for by customers, which provide such limited services as they feel to be appropriate. They in no way make better citizens, and, in fact, teach disrespect for both science and secular governments and laws.

            Their contributors don't get a charitable deduction. Such deductions are for those payments made with no quid pro quo to organizations meeting certain requirements. If you carefully parse the revenue Code and regulations, you find that Churches are a special case off by themselves and need perform zero charitable activities in order to qualify.

            "The ability to tax is the ability to destroy", hence the secular government should not tax churches in order to preserve religious freedom is the idea underlying that deduction.

            That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

            by enhydra lutris on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 11:53:47 AM PST

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          •  not if they are doing so in a discriminary (1+ / 0-)
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            fashion, because then the government has to both recognize, document, account for and then make up the difference.

            Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

            by a gilas girl on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 01:56:21 PM PST

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          •  Easy solution (0+ / 0-)

            Catholic Charities = non-profit human services organization, and therefore no taxes

            Catholic Church = 2000 year old political interest group, and therefore should pay taxes.

            Explain to me what broad social good the Catholic Church (or any other church) accomplishes?

            “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

            by ivorybill on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 02:15:35 PM PST

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      •  The church uses roads (1+ / 0-)
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        every time it accepts a delivery of something to help it carry out its mission.

        If the UPS guy comes to the church, the church has "used" the road.

        If the truck from the wafer factory shows up before mass and unloads the supply, the church has "used" the roads.

        Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

        by a gilas girl on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 01:54:52 PM PST

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