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  •  As Commander in Chief, the President (9+ / 0-)

    has, at the very least, a special relation to the military justice system. If Manning were facing civilian charges, your point might make sense.

    How can anyone ever be confident now that the military tribunal will act entirely fairly, that they won't be influenced in their ruling, won't hesitate to cross the express wishes of the guy atop their hierarchy?

    When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

    by PhilJD on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 03:46:46 PM PST

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    •  Maybe Manning's lawyer will request dismissal (2+ / 0-)
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      VClib, johnny wurster

      based on your argument. And when that dismissal is rejected, we can get on with our lives.

      Can we get real here? The judge is going to instruct the court members to disregard anything they've heard about the case outside of the trial. And the judge is going to take it as a matter of honor that the court members will be able to do just that. Whether Manning's admirers believe it or not is not particularly relevant.

      •  I have no reason to think that a military tribunal (2+ / 0-)
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        is more venal than a civilian court. I don't doubt that justice is possible in that system.

        There's no reason to consider military courts less venal than civilian ones either though. Civilian courts are susceptible to all sorts of influences; of course the military tribunal will be influenced-- to an unknown & unknowable degree-- by the prejudgement of the Commander in Chief.

        Welcome to the Real World. Not just a TV show anymore.

        When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

        by PhilJD on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 04:55:42 PM PST

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        •  Phil - as you know a courts martial under the UCMJ (1+ / 0-)
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          is not a "tribunal".

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 06:03:37 PM PST

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        •  FIrst of all, the WH issued a later statement (0+ / 0-)

          walking away from that "pre-judgement" and saying that the trial should not be influenced by it. Your crowd continues to skip that part. If you're convinced that the court members will be influenced by a "pre-judgement" (I think that is bullshit), then you'll have to be consistent and say that they'll be influenced by the later statement as well.

          Let me ask you this: Were you on the jury, would YOU be unable to disregard the CiC "prejudgment" when evaluating the case? I know from your posts that you are a strong minded person, and I am confident that you would indeed be able to disregard such outside influence. And I think the court members will be able to do the same. I don't presume that they are a bunch of weak-minded saps.

          Second, yes this is the "real world". And that's too bad for Manning. Would that he did not buy into the Chomsky-ite fantasies and get it into his head that releasing 250k diplomatic cables was righting a wrong of some kind.

          P.S.
          The President and Manning's admirers pretty much agree on the facts of the case. I don't get why your harping on something the President said (then walked back) when he said what Manning's admirers celebrate Manning as a hero for.

    •  So......you don't have any authority. (1+ / 0-)
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      VClib

      That's more or less what I expected.

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