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  •  Okay, folks. From a lapsed Catholic re: Santorum (4+ / 0-)

    I keep getting cognitive dissonance because people keep referring to 'man on dog' as a Christian, but in the proper parlance used by Catholics, Ricky is NOT a Christian, he's a CATHOLIC. Which is what I say to myself every time I see it--35 years lapsed and still in the same ol' habits: "he's NOT a Christian, he's a Catholic!"

    When you say "Christian" to most (even lapsed) Catholics they (we) think "Evangelical", or "Pentecostal", or (most likely, because we never really understood those differences) just plain Born Again. Which are all different still (in the Catholic mind) from, properly speaking, Protestants (think Episcopalians and Lutherans, mainly)

    While Catholics are, technically, Christians (though many Southern Baptists and Methodists would disagree), that is not how we were primarily taught to think of ourselves; we're Catholics. Oddly, the (supposedly) first Christian Church doesn't first refer to itself as "Christian" though it would never deny being part of the Christian faith. Basically it's just one of those linguistic oddities.

    Just FYI and not snark though not really all that importantly serious, either.

    "Repeatedly he [Voltaire] dwelt on the folly and credulousness of the masses and the selfishness and unscrupulousness of the ruling few." 'nuff said.

    by caseynm on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 06:51:09 PM PST

    •  Been reading "The Jesus Wars" ... (2+ / 0-)
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      Was the Catholic (? Roman Catholic) Church really the first Christian Church? I am reading a book titled "The Jesus Wars" dealing with very early Christianity in the East and West. It's a pretty interesting if dense book.

      •  First Christians were a Jewish sect n/t (4+ / 0-)

        De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

        by Neon Mama on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 08:24:00 PM PST

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        •  but the first Church was the Catholic church (0+ / 0-)

          It amazes me that Christians don't know this or that a crazy german was one of the first to break away from the church. Then of course there was King Henry that wanted more wives (Neut? forefather?) so he formed his own church. I am not Christian and I know more about the bible and Christianity than most Christians.

          •  Henry did not think he was forming his own church (0+ / 0-)

            Henry VIII was a devout Roman Catholic--he just wanted an heir. But he did not want to form a new church and did not imagine he was forming a new church. He was just taking Rome out of the picture. Hence, Church of England/Anglican/Episcopalian christians are Anglo-Catholic, and I am proud to be one.

            *"Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."*
            When I look at the economy, I think Obama can't win; when I look at the Republicons I think he can't lose. And the economy is getting better. h/t Paul Begala

            by TrueBlueMajority on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 09:41:27 AM PST

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          •  Would the Eastern Orthodox agree? (1+ / 0-)
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            The history of the Christian church is very complex. I doubt if the Eastern Orthodox church would agree that the Catholic church was the original church. And your view of the splitting away of the Church of England is very dismissive of the complexity of that situation.

            •  True Blue ... my comment for dsisdkat, not you... (1+ / 0-)
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            •  No, this is wrong. (0+ / 0-)

              The first Orthodox split happened in 451 when the first 3 of 5 patriarchs were excommunicated, and then the Eastern Orthodox/Rome (the last 2 of the original 5 patriarchs) split happened in, no, they wouldn't disagree unless they were ignorant of their own history....

              "Repeatedly he [Voltaire] dwelt on the folly and credulousness of the masses and the selfishness and unscrupulousness of the ruling few." 'nuff said.

              by caseynm on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 02:56:39 PM PST

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          •  Sorry -- I didn't sleep thru first semester (1+ / 0-)
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            of church history. Not that it matters a lot -- but you could get a clearer picture by some meandering in Wikipedia, starting with the Council of Nicea in 325 AD. Way less boring than my prof that year.

            Way too simplistic thumbnail:
            Roman Emperor didn't like problems caused by the dissent among all the competing Christian churches, plural, so he ordered their leaders to meet to settle their differences. They didn't even agree on divinity or not of Jesus, trinity, and what really should go in bible and such.

             Martin Luther wasn't the first dissenter. Check out all the councils, and schisms during the first 300 years. It is rather enlightening.


            De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

            by Neon Mama on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 10:48:23 AM PST

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