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  •  fortunately there are still some sane Rs around. (41+ / 0-)

    At least sane enough to recognize that government shouldn't be enforcing the doctrines of specific denominations on the public in general.

    Though, the patients have definitely taken over the asylum as we see, so the sane ones had better get ready for a fight.

    If we're lucky (and if we help just a little, heh heh), family planning might be the wedge issue that blows a pretty good fracture through the party.

    "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

    by G2geek on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 02:19:49 PM PST

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    •  Absolutely (13+ / 0-)
      government shouldn't be enforcing the doctrines of specific denominations on the public in general.
      But of all the denominations they choose to force on everyone it's the most backward thinking with regard to human sexuality.

      Nuns and preists can't marry? No birth control? That's seriously irrelevant to 21st century living. It's absurd and I'm really amazed that Cathilic followers haven't demanded that the church evolve. But given how the Catholic church is set up, (at least as I understand it) it'd be difficult to change anything what with that papal infallability bullshit.

      Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

      by JTinDC on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 02:34:14 PM PST

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      •  papal infallibility bullshit (8+ / 0-)

        The "papal infallibility" that you refer to has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with anything that you might think it does. Look it up. The pope is really, truly, not infallible at all except under very very very limited circumstances not pertinent here.

        Just a pet peeve.

        •  Then if the pope's position on doctrine is (0+ / 0-)

          challengable, why has it not been fiercely challenged on these ridiculously arcane teachings? Maybe now's as good a time as any?

          joanneleon said so nicely over in the Tim Kaine diary:

          It's not time for our government and our party to change its position on contraception, it's time for the Catholic Church to change theirs.
          Catholics need to take on their church eadership and forcefully so.

          Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

          by JTinDC on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 04:38:35 PM PST

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          •  Red Heron is right.... (1+ / 0-)
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            "Papal Infallibility" only becomes an issue in very few, specific situations...Such as, the assumption of the Virgin Mary (a big deal in ecumenical circles. For everyone else--not so much).

            That doesn't mean that anything the Pope says or thinks is "right" by definition. For example, if the Pope happened to mention before the Super Bowl that the Pope was certain, sure the Patriots would win--that does NOT MEAN all "good" Catholics now all believe that the Giants lost....

            There are many established doctrines in Catholicism that have taken--literally--generations to change (like Galileo's excommunication)...but those also have nothing to do with Papal Infallibility, and everything to do with institutional inertia......

            I would urge everyone NOT to throw the term "papal infallibility" around, unless you are certain, sure what you're talking about.....

            •  If papal infalabiity is inapplicale here then it (1+ / 0-)
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              only needs to be state once, It's all religion and therefore all bullshit with regard to having any effect whatsoever on public policy.

              Do you have a substantive respone to why the majority of Catholics have failed to drag their church into the 21st century? Ot why now isn't as good a time as any to do just that?

              Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

              by JTinDC on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 05:25:33 PM PST

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            •  OK, so then... (0+ / 0-)

              .... given that the vast majority of Catholics in the world either use contraception or approve of contraception, how can they go about initiating a policy change on this? What are the steps they need to take?

              "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

              by G2geek on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 06:42:48 PM PST

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    •  This is the end of the republican party (3+ / 0-)
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      This was a defining issue back in 1976 when so called "right to lifers' attempted to hijack the Republican party. There is no room for Rockefeller Republicans in a party dominated by hate filled people who just cannot seem to get enough joy in attacking the average American. You don't want to use contraception? No one is forcing you. You don't like gay marriage? Again no one is arguing you have to marry anyone. The Republican party opened the door to the nuts and they walked in and took over. The pandering by the potential nominees makes me sick yet it fills our newspapers and airwaves. Enough is enough and an invitation should be extended to members of the Republican Majority quoted in the diary to join a party that is truly inclusive. It is time for the sane republicans to turn in their membership cards and change their voter registratin to Democrat.

    •  It's a problem for them... (1+ / 0-)
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      but I suspect they are marketing it as a solution. It's about Romney pulling the old R's and Wall Street while in the trenches they are trying to gin up their old "moral majority" (read religious right... um far right). They won't loose the Koch factor, and they may pull some of the Huckabee faction. It will be interesting to see who runs as VP. A young charismatic Hispanic, or a Huckabee type would be my guess.

      You can't have freedom of religion without freedom from religion.

      by zerone on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 03:59:48 PM PST

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      •  prediction: Mitt/Santorum. (0+ / 0-)

        What to look for: Santorum not going negative on Mitt, and Mitt not going negative on Santorum.

        Newt has already dug himself into a Newt-sized hole (that's saying something!), so no way he goes anywhere except into a slot on Pox Noize.

        "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 06:44:52 PM PST

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