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  •  papal infallibility bullshit (8+ / 0-)

    The "papal infallibility" that you refer to has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with anything that you might think it does. Look it up. The pope is really, truly, not infallible at all except under very very very limited circumstances not pertinent here.

    Just a pet peeve.

    •  Then if the pope's position on doctrine is (0+ / 0-)

      challengable, why has it not been fiercely challenged on these ridiculously arcane teachings? Maybe now's as good a time as any?

      joanneleon said so nicely over in the Tim Kaine diary:

      It's not time for our government and our party to change its position on contraception, it's time for the Catholic Church to change theirs.
      Catholics need to take on their church eadership and forcefully so.

      Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

      by JTinDC on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 04:38:35 PM PST

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      •  Red Heron is right.... (1+ / 0-)
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        G2geek

        "Papal Infallibility" only becomes an issue in very few, specific situations...Such as, the assumption of the Virgin Mary (a big deal in ecumenical circles. For everyone else--not so much).

        That doesn't mean that anything the Pope says or thinks is "right" by definition. For example, if the Pope happened to mention before the Super Bowl that the Pope was certain, sure the Patriots would win--that does NOT MEAN all "good" Catholics now all believe that the Giants lost....

        There are many established doctrines in Catholicism that have taken--literally--generations to change (like Galileo's excommunication)...but those also have nothing to do with Papal Infallibility, and everything to do with institutional inertia......

        I would urge everyone NOT to throw the term "papal infallibility" around, unless you are certain, sure what you're talking about.....

        •  If papal infalabiity is inapplicale here then it (1+ / 0-)
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          only needs to be state once, It's all religion and therefore all bullshit with regard to having any effect whatsoever on public policy.

          Do you have a substantive respone to why the majority of Catholics have failed to drag their church into the 21st century? Ot why now isn't as good a time as any to do just that?

          Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

          by JTinDC on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 05:25:33 PM PST

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        •  OK, so then... (0+ / 0-)

          .... given that the vast majority of Catholics in the world either use contraception or approve of contraception, how can they go about initiating a policy change on this? What are the steps they need to take?

          "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

          by G2geek on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 06:42:48 PM PST

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