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  •  Glad of your good luck, and of the other targets (20+ / 0-)

    too.

    The Arizona shooter's mental illness was known and yet he wasn't helped or stopped. Even if you had known about his mental illness, you may not have been able to get him the kind of help he needed or to thwart his plans.

    You must be in a state of shock right now.

    You are a writer.

    ❧To thine ownself be true

    by Agathena on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 06:20:06 PM PST

    •  Actually, no. His mental illness had not been (1+ / 0-)
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      DarkLadyNyara

      diagnosed, and he was not given treatment. As NAMI Arizona pointed out, his probable mental illness should have been addressed in high school, when he began to exhibit symptoms and was still in the system. Schools don't like to do this because then they have to pay more per student if an IEP comes out of the process. NAMI has been protesting this for some time now.

      You're spreading a lot of misinformation here. Of course you can call the police if someone confides in you that they are stockpiling weapons and intend to use them. What you can't do is have someone locked up because they're mentally ill. You're conflating mentally ill and violent, and the data contradicts you on that.

       There are much better predictors of violent crime than mental illness. But people don't want to look at systemic societal problems. They want to blame the freaky crazy people.

      •  "His mental illness was known" (2+ / 0-)
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        AkaEnragedGoddess, catilinus

        "and yet he wasn't helped or stopped." That's what I wrote.

        "wasn't helped" = did not receive treatment

        He was expelled from school pending a mental health clearance. Both a teacher and a student made statements that they believed he would commit a school shooting. Friends reported a personality and behavioral change. He never did receive treatment and he was not prevented from buying guns and ammunition.

        Your comment misrepresents what I wrote and then you go on to make accusations based on your own misinterpretation.

        ❧To thine ownself be true

        by Agathena on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 06:36:10 AM PST

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      •  Kindly stop accusing people (2+ / 0-)
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        catilinus, Agathena

        Acknowledging that some people with mental illness become violent because noone intervened doesn't mean anyone is saying that violent people are more likely to be mentally ill. That's not what Agathena said, at all.

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