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  •  Not my first rodeo (0+ / 0-)

    I fully understand that there is an idealogical attack. But every single person here has used the USPS less now than ten or twenty years ago. But there IS a business model issue... and that issue as that people do not use their product like they used to if at all. Like you and everyone else here, the majority of the mail coming into my mail slot is bulk mail that I DO NOT WANT OR NEED. Advertisers and magazine publishers NEED the USPS but my bills are paid online and my correspondence is via email.

    I know we're all Bernie Sanders fans and I know we don't want to lose some 600,000 union jobs. I also know that rural communities cannot afford to lose the USPS (there's no chance that any private company will cost efficiently deliver a letter down some lonely rural road) but the reality still exists that people are using the USPS less and less.

    Take away the pay-forward pension handcuff which makes USPS more profitable. But for how long?

    •  So what is your point? (2+ / 0-)
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      Lily O Lady, ZombyWoof

      The USPS doesn't cost you a dime if you choose not to use its services.

      The inconvenience of bulk mail seems an insufficient reason for undermining one of the nation's most important and successful - on many levels - institutions.

      If only donkeys could have elephant balls... Occupy!

      by chuckvw on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 01:57:48 PM PST

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    •  Why are FedEx and UPS even in business then? (2+ / 0-)
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      There is plenty of demand for trucking papers and stuff around the country. FedEx/UPS may do it faster than the USPS, but they're also much more expensive.

      USPS may have lost volume in letters, but internet shopping is a huge business and requires shipping. Email alone is no reason for the Post Office to die, and cutting out services is no way to keep it alive. It needs to add services, like others here suggested.

    •  you've taken the Norquist bait (6+ / 0-)

      You are way more indoctrinated than you realize:
      USPS has established a national infrastructure which is being under-utilized (not to mention is being dismantled by the gov't-hating right); why not EXPAND the services which USPS can offer within this infrastructure---notaries, passports, social security services---public services of ALL kinds.
      You do realize that USPS currently subsidizes mail for the blind, library mail and books, right?
      Although USPS is extremely competitive with Fedex & USPS, and offer an advertising rate that no-one can compete with, THEY ARE NOT A BUSINESS!!!!!
      Barring GOP sabotage they CAN return to solvency

      •  Yep. I'm just a fool who took the bait. (0+ / 0-)

        Score a debating point to you.

        Is the fact that there is REVENUE DECLINE due to me swallowing some Grover Norquist bait? Is that fact that there is a drop of some 30% in First Class Mail also due to the Norquist bait?

        Please save the junior debate techniques for someone else.

        As for adding services, I agree 100%. And that only fuels my point - the USPS must adapt and offer services that will supplement the drop off of mail delivery.

        •  See brooklynbadboy's comment above. (0+ / 0-)

          And stop listening to Grover "Bathtub" Norquist.

          "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

          by Lily O Lady on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 03:37:19 PM PST

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          •  No, you should read Ohiodem1's comment below (0+ / 0-)

            And stop with the sophomoric Norquist nonsense... unless that's all you can throw my way.

            •  Why is mentioning Grover Norquist's (0+ / 0-)

              desire to shrink government down to the size that it can be drowned in a bathtub sophomoric? He has no respect for any government institution which I feel is unhealthy for the country.

              Ohiodem makes some good points, but unless we understand the motivation behind the criticism of the Postal Service, we may lose our way and end up without one.

              "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

              by Lily O Lady on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 03:55:59 PM PST

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              •  You're not merely "mentioning" it (0+ / 0-)

                You are stating that I'm "listening" to it. THAT is the part that's sophomoric.

                •  Then you remain impervious to the (0+ / 0-)

                  imprecations to privatize the commons? I hope so. Your desire then is to modernize, perhaps?

                  Joni Mitchell sings:

                  Don't it always seem to go
                  That you don't know what you've got til it's gone
                  Someone in the comments on this diary cited the case of Germany, which privatized it's postal service, only to find it had to pour money into the system which is still not functioning as it had pre-privatization.

                  Republicans wail that Obama wants to make us like socialist Europe. I wish that were true, but we seem to be remaking Europe in our image--the Republican "free" enterprise system. I could do with a bit more socialism, personally.

                  "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

                  by Lily O Lady on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 03:45:37 PM PST

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