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  •  I smell enemy gray ops. (8+ / 0-)

    Hypothesis 1:  Insurance company shills pretended to be us and made onoxious phone calls to piss off the legislators against us.

    Hypothesis 2:  The story that legislators are perma-pissed at us is not true and is being circulated to spread DUD (Despair, Uncertainty, and Doom).

    This deserves to be investigated.

    "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

    by G2geek on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 09:49:07 AM PST

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    •  You're not the first to suggest that (9+ / 0-)

      (In fact, I mention it in the article.  Search on "false flag".  But others have as well.)

      In a sense, though, it doesn't even matter.  Let's presume the worst, that a portion of the actual single-payer proposals, out of the control of those promoting them, called Senate staffers all sorts of ethnic, racial, sexist, homophobic and religious slurs, and then threatened them to boot.  I doubt that this happened, but if it did, what then?

      First, the word should have gone out immediately from Senate offices to activist groups and individuals that this was going on and that it was damaging our efforts.  You would have seen a flurry of proponents like me calling Senate staffers and apologizing for the actions of our brethren, but pointing out that the merits of SB 810 were the same despite that.

      Second, specific examples should have been provided and people like me should have been asked to condemn them -- which I of course would do!

      Third, there's no way that even the most vile language from a few supporters -- let alone from people pretending to be supporters -- should have changed anyone's vote on the bill.  That's absolutely nuts -- unless it's a desirable fig leaf.

      But should this be investigated?  Absolutely.  That's why I'm hammering on it.

      Democrats must
      Earn the trust
      Of the 99% --
      That's our intent!

      "I love this goddamn country, and we're going to take it back." -- Saul Alinksy OCcupy!

      by Seneca Doane on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 10:06:55 AM PST

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    •  i think it's #2 (4+ / 0-)
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      KenBee, Seneca Doane, G2geek, alizard

      lobbyists don't have to mess with grey ops when they can just cut fat checks and issue talking points.

      •  On the other hand, just one or two actual examples (1+ / 0-)
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        of this could be extrapolated into a phantom army of abusive callers.

        Democrats must
        Earn the trust
        Of the 99% --
        That's our intent!

        "I love this goddamn country, and we're going to take it back." -- Saul Alinksy OCcupy!

        by Seneca Doane on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 02:25:18 PM PST

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        •  All we need is one very sympathetic member... (1+ / 0-)
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          .... of the state senate, to come forward and say either

          a)  Yes, s/he did get abusive calls, in which case an investigation (let's talk this weekend) will quickly determine if any of those calls came from opponents disguised as supporters, or,

          b)  No, s/he didn't and the article was incorrect, in which case the motives for writing the article can be looked into further.

          "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

          by G2geek on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 03:26:57 PM PST

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        •  zero could be extrapolated into a phantom army (2+ / 0-)
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          alizard, Seneca Doane

          if that was the talking point that needed saying.

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