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  •  Bigots don't have rights (22+ / 0-)

    Bigots have power, and use that power to take away other people's rights.  That's called discrimination, and is the only legal consequence to bigotry.  Thus bigots should not be accommodated but defeated.

    This brings up the only minor quibble I have with your fine, inspirational diary:

    My rights to my own body exist outside the law...not at the pleasure of the law.
    Your rights to your own body exist prior to the law.  Just like other aspects of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, your right to control your own body is not outside of law, nor granted by law, but is something the law should take as a given.  Just like my right to marry the man I love should be.

    When Free Speech is outlawed, only outlaws will have Free Speech.

    by Dallasdoc on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 04:26:25 PM PST

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      •  Not to be bigots (9+ / 0-)

        They have the same human rights as everybody else, but not the right to have their prejudice enshrined in law.  No matter what they choose to call it.

        When Free Speech is outlawed, only outlaws will have Free Speech.

        by Dallasdoc on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 04:47:36 PM PST

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        •  I'm pretty sure the right to be a bigot... (1+ / 0-)
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          is pretty well set forth by the I Amendment. Maybe you should read it again.

          Freedom of speech protects what you imagine to be bigoted speech, freedom of religion protects what you imagine to be bigoted beliefs, freedom of association protects what you imagine to be bigoted organizations, etc...

          •  Being a bigot involves much more than speech. (3+ / 0-)
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            It involves the views that "others" should have less legal rights.  It involves the view that women are inferior to men.  It involves the view that God should come murder all the LGBT's.  It's the idea that you can be morally, or even physically superior to another human being.

            These are the kind of people that must have been out sick on the days in Kindergarten where we learn to share, be nice, play with others, etc.

            Bigots also act on those views and beliefs.  They would prevent American Citizens from marrying other American Citizens - who love one another.  They would repeal the Civil Rights Act, and put "others" in separate bathrooms, or separate schools - or have "white only" restaurants.

            We have passed many laws over the course of time in this country - granting "rights" to those that were deprived of them by Bigots.  Women had to fight just to be able to vote.  Black people were effing slaves - with no rights.  Brown people today - are treated as criminals as they pick the food that we put on our dinner table - by Bigots.  

            No one has the right to be a bigot.  No one.

            #OccupyOMC - "We have a permit, its called The Constitution".

            by Evolutionary on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 07:51:49 PM PST

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            •  As long as you're only speaking... (0+ / 0-)

              of views, beliefs and speech, that stuff is protected. Men have died to protect our rights to hold those views and speak those words. Be careful...

              •  I may disagree with other Citizens, and would (1+ / 0-)
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                fight to the death for their right to Free Speech.

                Speech is one thing.  Denying Civil Rights to any Citizen is an entirely different matter.  

                #OccupyOMC - "We have a permit, its called The Constitution".

                by Evolutionary on Tue Feb 14, 2012 at 07:18:14 AM PST

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                •  That's begging the question. (0+ / 0-)

                  The whole issue in most political controversies surrounding civil rights is whether the thing being denied is actually a civil right. So it's begging the question to suggest that one is "denying civil rights" by refusing to acknowledge some minority's right to something that has not heretofore been recognized as a civil right at all.

                  Besides, the only organization in this country capable of denying a citizen his civil rights is the government.

    •  Inalienable rights exist prior to law (3+ / 0-)

      They are "God given" , not man made.

    •  Karl Popper said it best (0+ / 0-)

      As in so much else.

      He said it often and I don't have the exact quote, but what he said was simple and profound.

      The one thing we cannot tolerate is intolerance.

      I think that covers it.

      "... there is no humane way to rule people against their will." Naomi Klein, The Shock Doctrine

      by Noziglia on Tue Feb 14, 2012 at 06:59:57 AM PST

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    •  If one man's freedom is denied, all men's freedom (2+ / 0-)
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      is in jeopardy.  Forget who said that, maybe MLK. But it rings true. Bigots do, indeed, have rights, including the right to be bigots.

      Notwithstanding that, and the fact that Bigots may wield power, the government has no right to allow them to circumscribe the rights of others.

      What's at issue here is not the fact that there are bigots, or that they sometimes exercise power; what's at issue is the legitimacy of the government's efforts to circumscribe the rights of any.

      Such circumscription must always answer the question, "what greater public good is being defended by thus depriving an individual or class of their natural rights."

      In the present case, there is no greater public good even on the table. It is only the religious impulse to impart personhood to an individual part of a woman's body before it becomes a person; indeed, in the case of birth control, before it even exists.

      There is no public good in thus slicing the existence of a woman's body into two beings, granting the protection of the state to that which one imagines to be a person, and denying it to that which is universally acknowledged to be a person.

      Bigotry or no, it's simply not a legitimate arena for the government to be in, churches and bigots notwithstanding.

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