Skip to main content

View Diary: Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins break GOP ranks over birth control coverage (123 comments)

Comment Preferences

  •  I guess even a broken clock... (10+ / 0-)

    is right twice a day.  I know the Repubs are trying to frame this as a "controversy" about "religious freedom" but
    the hypocrites trying desperately to make this a controversy don't recognize that 99% of women in America have or currently take birth control, Catholics included.  

    It's just making the GOP look like out of touch women haters, who care more about a 2000 year old book of fairy tales, than 50% of the country's health.

    These church health plans have covered Viagra and the likes for years, but birth control is not acceptable?  I wish there was a stronger, more extreme word than hypocrite because that doesn't quite do this justice.  

    Maybe ultra-hyper-hypocrite-to-the-extreme?

    •  One quibble with your logic (15+ / 0-)
      It's just making the GOP look like out of touch women haters, who care more about a 2000 year old book of fairy tales, than 50% of the country's health.
      More accurately:
      It's just making the GOP look like the out of touch women haters they actually are, who care more about a 2000 year old book of fairy tales, than 50% of the country's health.

      We don't want our country back, we want our country FORWARD. --Eclectablog

      by Samer on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 10:23:39 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Ah, Richard B. Long--gotta have that! (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      kyril, nellgwen

      I mean, a man has his needs...

      Women, though--get back to the kitchen, like Jesus intended!

      /snark

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 11:10:24 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  It's because men don't think (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        glorificus

        wimmens can think straight.

        If a woman  has a genuine religious conviction against birth control...she won't use it or allow it to be used.

        If a woman does not have a religious  conviction against birth control, then having male politicians decide when and if she can get some...has all the obvious things wrong with it...it's also beyond insulting.

        Women with disabilities - are still women. Live with it.

        by imfunnytoo on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 12:01:45 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Isn't it funny (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          imfunnytoo

          How by trying to show how superior they are, these people show how inferior they are? Irony doesn't get any more obvious, apt, or over the heads of those it calls out. It's the gift that keeps on giving. I actually kind of pity some of them, so clueless and trapped by their obsolete cultural inheritance are they.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 12:43:35 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  The word is misogynist. nt (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      nellgwen, glorificus
    •  They're Claiming Freedom of Religion (11+ / 0-)

      Where's my freedom FROM religion?

    •  The "controversy" itself is a step backward (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      JVolvo, TKO333

      The obligation of church-related businesses to do what other businesses do should not be controversial at all. Obama's accommodation, while perhaps unavoidable, seems to have validated the position expressed by Collins, that

      “The administration’s original plan ... clearly would have posed a threat to religious freedom. It presented ... an impossible choice between violating their religious beliefs or violating federal regulations.
      This is nonsense. Catholics and their institutions lose none of their religious freedom if non-Catholics receive employee compensation that is used for things Catholics wouldn't shouldn't do.
      •  It's not like Obama is trying to force Catholics.. (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        word is bond, JVolvo

        to take birth control, he's just forcing institutions (that happen to be Catholic and usually receive tax payer funding) to offer birth control as an option

        •  Well, the Republicans' argument ... (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          SuzieQ4624, JVolvo

          ... is that he is forcing church-related institutions to pay for the option of birth control.  Nobody is forced to use that optional health benefit, but they are saying that the mere fact of paying for the coverage as part of an overall set of employee benefits is a violation of religious freedom.

          My point is that it is unfortunate to hear people accept the argument that paying for an option (especially when it is part of a package of employee compensation) is an element of exercising a religion. Compensating employees is not a religious activity and should not be circumscribed by religious tenets.

          Buying the Republican argument leads to crazy results.  Do employees of Christian Scientists get health insurance? Can employees of Jewish hospitals use their flexible spending accounts on Saturday?  Do employees of Muslims get interest-bearing investment options in their 401(k)?

          The heart of the issue here is that some people are saying the power of government stops where religious tenets kick in.  In effect, everyone gets to impose their own version of Shariah law.  In a pluralistic society, that is a road to anarchy.

          •  Next thing you know... (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            word is bond, glorificus

            Catholic institutions will start paying withholding employee salarys if they know the employee is using part of the salary on things the church doesn't agree with.  

            This is, indeed, a slippery slope.  As much as the church wants to, they cannot dictate what people do.  They're struggle to stay relevant but attempting to control people's behavior, who may or may not be Catholic, is not the best way to go about it.

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site