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    JWST is an interesting topic, one I'm conflicted on. On the up side, it would be a big step forward for science. I have spoken to folks who are gung ho not just for that, but also because they saw the PR success of the Hubble and hope the JWST will follow suit. On the down side, it is a BIG step forward, lots of new technology, very expensive and experimental in deep space, and once deployed it will reside far beyond our present capacity to reach and repair the way we’ve been able to service Hubble. I have spoken at length with folks who express great concern about the technological and financial viability of JWST.

    •  James Webb Space Telescope (5+ / 0-)

      I feel like it's something we have to build to advance our knowledge, although it's a fairly safe bet it'll cost even more than currently estimated. Gotta uncover those unknown unknowns... A deployables failure like when the main antenna snagged on the Jupiter Galileo mission would be unrecoverable for the JWST. (That Galileo main image is a sad sight, although the mission was still successful overall with communications coming through the secondary antenna.)

      Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

      by Simplify on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 07:42:20 PM PST

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    •  why Republicans hate NASA: (7+ / 0-)

      Space science is an existential threat to the religious right.

      The size of the universe, the age of the universe, planets orbiting other stars...

      .... and "worst of all" (from the religious right point of view), it only takes a one-pixel image of distant planet to provide the light spectra that will demonstrate whether a planet has a) abundant life as we know it (absorption & reflection characteristics relative to the light from the planet's star) and b) a technologically capable civilization (presence of artificial light sources).    This is an inevitability given sufficient space telescope capacity and time.

      The Rs are trying to put that off as far as possible and ideally kill it altogether, the better to retain their grip on the culture.

      They may not admit it, they may not even be conscious of it, and it may be disguised in all kinds of ways.  But that's the bottom line: space science has more potential to destroy the religious right than anything else in modern science, even paleontology (which they discounted long ago).  

      And that's one more reason we need to keep these programs alive and well-funded.  Because reality doesn't abide obscurantists, and the future can't wait for the power trips of petty minds.  

      "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

      by G2geek on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 08:22:20 PM PST

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      •  God made everything. We already know the answers. (1+ / 0-)
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        It's stupid to waste all that time and money. There's nothing more to discover. Sheeeesh, stupid elite idiots...

        Then there's Galileo. To claim that the Earth is not the center of the universe is the same as denying the existence of God. God put man, made in Her image, at the center of everything - Earth. Only the Devil would cause someone to question the existance of God. Death is the only possible remedy.


        "All people are born alike - except Republicans and Democrats" - Groucho Marx

        by GrumpyOldGeek on Tue Feb 14, 2012 at 02:29:52 AM PST

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        •  "God put Man, made in Her image"... (1+ / 0-)
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          Is exactly the way the Old Testament tells it. The original versions were written back when God was Elat and Elath (feminine plural or paired opposites, power with wisdom as consort giving birth to justice) rather than just El.

          The more science learns about space and how its mostly composed of dark matter and dark energy, stuff you can't observe and therefore have to come up with theories which allow you to test hypothesis about things you can observe which have implications about all this other stuff. The unknown has to stop being a place where religion gets its foot in the door.

          I Look at Galileo and Newton mixing alchemy and religion with math and science and see religion as an impurity in the philosophers stone that has time and again put science on the wrong track.

          Somewhere along the line Pitar, Ptah, Zeus, (ueu pater), Jupiter, Peter, Father Odin became personified into a heroic father creator smith sleeping on an iron throne long enough to grow a long white beard while Hathor, Hagar, Hera, Ashera, Athena, whose word had been Hotep or law and was sovereign over all the other gods was put aside, neglected, ,......reduced to the status of a second wife behind Sharia Law in the person of Sarah.

          As for the Devil, in Egyptian the aten is the luminous horizon or Lucifer of the sun god RA  which all the attributes of the many gods are combined into one, and the Sa aten or son of Aten becomes Satan.

          Its all Akhenaten's fault,

          Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

          by rktect on Wed Feb 15, 2012 at 08:00:48 AM PST

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