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  •  So, "win by any means possible" (5+ / 0-)

    Is in your playbook too, eh?

    So, are you gonna advocate for Kristallnacht against Evangelicals, too?

    Contrary to what some on this thread seem to think "the ends justify the means" is pretty much the antithesis of what the Left Wing ought to stand for.

    •  OMG, you're so right! Voting is just like Hitler! (9+ / 0-)
    •  I went too far with that particular comparison (7+ / 0-)

      So, apologies to kos and readers on that one.

      But still, my general concept stands, that "win by any means possible" is distasteful.

      Besides, has anyone stopped to think that if the R's think we're sticking our nose directly into their primaries that it might be a rallying point for them?  What if this backfires and gives the right more energy to show up on election day?

      •  what seems to be forgotten here on this thread, (2+ / 0-)
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        is that the best means is to expect the best of the american peoiple and their intellects.  the best people in this country are in the majority. not the worst.

        we do our legitimate work of walking precincts, phonebanking, getting out the votes, and we sit back and watch the gop destroy itself.  that's the real work.  not juvenile games.  

        WHY IS EASIER TO BELIEVE THAT 150,000,000 AMERICANS ARE BEING LAZY, RATHER THAN THAT 400 ARE BEING GREEDY?

        by doesnotworkorplaywellwithothers on Wed Feb 15, 2012 at 02:43:59 PM PST

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        •  The system does not require that one (3+ / 0-)
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          Clem Yeobright, G2geek, Phoenix Woman

          justify thier vote. To make one's desires known one just votes in those contests in which one is eligible to vote.  

          Why do you assume that a vote in an open primary has to have some kind of purity of purpose associated with it?

          As a tactic, promoting liberals to vote in these primaries may or may not be effective in KOS's mission to elect more and better democrats.  Likely we will not be able to tease it out of the data so it will be a moot point.

          But to argue against it as a matter of bad behavior is kind of ... I don't know... a little precious.

      •  Distasteful? (0+ / 0-)

        You want GOOD TASTE in politics?  If you get any, consider yourself lucky.  Let me know how that works out for you.

    •  putting things into people's mouths is rude (0+ / 0-)

      Words included.  

      Nobody, not even kos, says 'the ends justify the means' to mean that anything goes so long as we win.  Saying otherwise is a fallacious slippery slope argument.

      Kos's point is simply that pulling out all the stops that are currently legal, even if they are somewhat repugnant.  He is not saying that if it was legal to kill your opponent we should do that, since killing people is on a whole other level of moral disgust (and consensus about that disgust).

      In the real world we live in, the democracy is impure, but it is still a democratic process, and kos is proposing we use the process, flawed as it is, to ensure victory.  He is not proposing that we pull out whatever stops are necessary, democratic or otherwise. This real difference is important to clarify, and for you to mix them and suggest that kos suggests otherwise is putting words into people's mouths, which is always uncalled for.

      "You're not stuck in traffic, you are traffic."

      by nominalize on Thu Feb 16, 2012 at 08:28:50 AM PST

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    •  Bzzzzzzzz (0+ / 0-)

      You just went off the cliff.

    •  Paging Mr. Godwin... (0+ / 0-)

      You lose the argument.

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