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  •  Voting is not (8+ / 0-)

    But bandying about the concept of "win by whatever means possible" is.

    Look, Romney, Santorum and Gingrich are all piles of fetid garbage.  Limbaugh, Coulter, the right wing hacks that cheerlead their side are also.  And yes, as we've seen in Wisconsin, they will descend into questionable tactics to get what they want.

    But to say we should descend to their level because they did it first is a cop-out, and loses the moral high ground for the left.

    •  nope (1+ / 0-)
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      Phoenix Woman

      Fighting back against Hitler does not lose the moral high ground.

      What evidence do you have which indicates that it does?

      You take from your backpack the glass phial containing the sparkling dust and sprinkle it on the stone slab. Slowly the stone slab starts to rise into the air

      by GideonAB on Wed Feb 15, 2012 at 02:27:22 PM PST

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      •  what evidence do you have that this is a world war (1+ / 0-)
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        TribeApologist

        against a despotic madman?  

        little over the top?

        WHY IS EASIER TO BELIEVE THAT 150,000,000 AMERICANS ARE BEING LAZY, RATHER THAN THAT 400 ARE BEING GREEDY?

        by doesnotworkorplaywellwithothers on Wed Feb 15, 2012 at 02:40:51 PM PST

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        •  heh (2+ / 0-)
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          Clem Yeobright, Phoenix Woman

          I was simply point out that the logic does not hold.

          His logic applied to Hitler and the example shows it does not hold.

          But if people dying is what floats your boat, consider the thousands who die every year in the US due to the lack of universal healthcare

          You take from your backpack the glass phial containing the sparkling dust and sprinkle it on the stone slab. Slowly the stone slab starts to rise into the air

          by GideonAB on Wed Feb 15, 2012 at 02:46:21 PM PST

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        •  the projections showing a billion deaths per.... (1+ / 0-)
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          Phoenix Woman

          .... each degree Celsius above normal average global temperatures.  

          Heading for +2C right now, 2 billion deaths, gets into the territory not only of world war, but nuclear holocaust.

          "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

          by G2geek on Wed Feb 15, 2012 at 06:58:43 PM PST

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      •  So, in your world (3+ / 0-)

        Internment camps for Japanese Americans in the U.S. was good, just because the other side was so bad?

        THere are cases where U.S. soldiers shot German prisoners during battles because they didn't want to be bogged down with detailing guards for them (Germans sometimes did the same, for example during the Battle of the Bulge), or just because it was war and a dead German was a good German.  But since we were fighting Hitler, that was ok, right?

        And if some US Marines take a piss on dead Afghans and take pictures and post them on the internet, that's ok because the Taliban do bad stuff, right?  

        As long as the other guys do it first, we can't lose the moral high ground and anything goes, as long as it's no worse than what the other side did?  Really?

        You really want to go down this rabbit hole?

        •  I like rabbit holes (2+ / 0-)
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          So answer my question.

          Why is fighting back against Hitler always losing the high ground?

          You take from your backpack the glass phial containing the sparkling dust and sprinkle it on the stone slab. Slowly the stone slab starts to rise into the air

          by GideonAB on Wed Feb 15, 2012 at 02:48:20 PM PST

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          •  I didn't say it was. (1+ / 0-)
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            TribeApologist

            What I did say was

            So, "win by any means possible"(2+ / 0-)

            Is in your playbook too, eh?

            So, are you gonna advocate for Kristallnacht against Evangelicals, too?

            Contrary to what some on this thread seem to think "the ends justify the means" is pretty much the antithesis of what the Left Wing ought to stand for.

            Nothing there about not fighting Hitler.
            •  hmm (1+ / 0-)
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              Phoenix Woman

              "But to say we should descend to their level because they did it first is a cop-out"

              How is fighting Hitler a cop-out?

              You take from your backpack the glass phial containing the sparkling dust and sprinkle it on the stone slab. Slowly the stone slab starts to rise into the air

              by GideonAB on Wed Feb 15, 2012 at 02:55:53 PM PST

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              •  You are being foolish. (3+ / 0-)

                Ok, let's go there.

                Fighting Hitler is not bad.  Fighting Hitler, using Hitler's own tactics, is.  There's a reason we didn't round up German-Americans and put them in the gas chamber.  There's a reason we didn't medically experiment on German prisoners of war.

                Gee, I wonder what those reasons were?

                •  nope (2+ / 0-)
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                  Phoenix Woman, Carlo

                  kos is not using Hitler's tactics.

                  He is using Rush's.

                  Big difference.

                  You take from your backpack the glass phial containing the sparkling dust and sprinkle it on the stone slab. Slowly the stone slab starts to rise into the air

                  by GideonAB on Wed Feb 15, 2012 at 03:03:16 PM PST

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                •  and there's a world of difference between... (2+ / 0-)
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                  Phoenix Woman, ctami

                  .... a mischievous vote and a gas chamber full of people.

                  To even put them into the same equation, nevermind equating them, is just absurd.  

                  "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

                  by G2geek on Wed Feb 15, 2012 at 07:04:17 PM PST

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                  •  Sigh. (1+ / 0-)
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                    Purple Priestess

                    I give up.  Nobody's fucking getting my fucking point.

                    Where the two converge, dear G2geek, is in the idea that the means justify the ends.

                    But whatever.  You go do whatever the fuck you want.  Vote for Santorum.  But God help you if something happens and that fucker wins the Presidency.  The economy has been improving, but what happens if you guys actually get Little Ricky the nomination and the bottom drops out of Europe and our economy goes in the shitter?  And Little Ricky goes to the White House?

                    How's that '"mischievous vote" gonna look to you then?

    •  it's not about "win by ANY means possible." (1+ / 0-)
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      Phoenix Woman

      It's about win by any means except violence and illegality beyond sit-ins and parking tickets.

      "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

      by G2geek on Wed Feb 15, 2012 at 06:56:14 PM PST

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