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  •  you are (maybe purposely) missing the point (8+ / 0-)

    sure it's legal. Of course these primaries are open.
    The point is that this campaign is questionable ethically and will probably backfire on us politically.

    We're not perfect, but they're nuts! -- Barney Frank

    by Tamar on Wed Feb 15, 2012 at 07:54:34 PM PST

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    •  Backfire on us? (1+ / 0-)
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      Because so, so many people in this country even know what this website is?  The people who hate liberals enough to froth at the mouth over this already are frothing at the mouth.

      I do not appreciate your attempt to cast an aspersion against my good-faith argument against those condemning open primaries.  Few people criticizing Kos are doing so about his advertising plan, they're condemning voting as if voting is now anti-democracy.  They're even using the word "anti-democracy".  Kos's plan is a waste of money.  It'll most likely be wholely ineffectual.  Those are totally valid arguments against it.  But condemning people for voting in open primaries just because they're open and you expect everyone to always forever push the D button is the extreme majority of argument that I'm seeing right now.

      Democrats voting on the Republican side of an open primary is no more of a fraud or anti-democracy than someone who votes for the Democratic candidate in a general not because they're voting for the D but against the R.

      •  if someone chooses individually to do this (6+ / 0-)

        I have no gripe with them. I wouldn't do it, but it's their business. I do not condemn "people for voting in open primaries." It's their right.
        My problem is with this site organizing a serious campaign to affect the outcome of the primaries of another party. I can't stand that party, I despise what they stand for and have not the smallest bit of understanding as to why anyone votes for them, but I still think it's wrong to actively organize in order to get a lot of people to vote in the primary of the party they oppose in order to undermine their process.
        In addition, I think it will make us a convenient target for the Republicans to blame and will give them something to coalesce around. Not too many Republican voters had heard of ACORN before the Republicans attacked them.
        Now we will be the obvious target for an attack -- they will build us up in order to make us mustache-twirling vote-stealers (irrespective of the fact that this doesn't steal votes) and use that to justify the horrible voter ID laws.

        We're not perfect, but they're nuts! -- Barney Frank

        by Tamar on Wed Feb 15, 2012 at 08:34:57 PM PST

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        •  But if this site ran an advertisement... (0+ / 0-)

          ...about how horrible of a person Santorum is, that would be attempting to "affect the outcome" too.  But I doubt anyone here would be condemning that, least of all on the basis that it would affect the outcome.

          Not that Republicans wouldn't argue it despite it making no sense, but how would voter ID laws prevent a Democrat from voting in a Republican primary in an open primary state?  Changing the law to end open primaries would change it, but voter ID laws is a totally different issue (again not that being relevant has ever stopped Republicans, but I just don't see the totality of that argument the way you seem to).

          And I don't go for the be quiet or the Republicans will hate on us argument.  They hate us anyway, that is if they even know what Daily Kos is anyway; this won't change that.

      •  For the first time in decades the left has (6+ / 0-)

        control of the narrative.  For the first time in decades the Republicans can't run on fiscal responsibility, strength on defense, morality, small government, or the Constitution and we're going to give that away, put a fucking blog in the center of a controversy that will distract attention from the insanity of the Republican Party and it's primary.

        Fucking brilliant.

        It took 3 years and terrific amounts of work to get us here, and a Democratic blog is now in the position of blowing a potential landslide election for Democrats.

        Fucking brilliant.


        I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

        by I love OCD on Wed Feb 15, 2012 at 09:55:43 PM PST

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    •  But there are no ethics here, (0+ / 0-)

      and if it backfires, it's to elect the more unpopular by the day mitt Romney.  The only argument against it is that it's a waste of time.  The republicans seem willing to nominate Ricky without our interference.  But I like the idea of ratfucking them just to show we can.  chaos is it's own reward.  I still plan on voting for Obama my primary day because I didn't think it's open and like voting for Obama.  But if it's election season, excise the word ethics from your vocabulary.  Legal isn't even good enough -- arguably legal is the way to go.  Beating the republicans fairly will be nice, but beating them unfairly would serve them fucking right.

      The study of law was certainly a strange discipline. -- Yukio Mishima

      by Loge on Wed Feb 15, 2012 at 09:49:54 PM PST

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