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  •  Irrespective of who subsidized whom and for... (0+ / 0-)

    ...what reason, the bottom line is that solar subsidies don't work and the reason for that involves something that is independent of any political concern.   It's called "physics."

    Low energy intermittant low energy/mass density systems not only are not economic, they actually have an abysmal environmental profile.

    I guarantee you that if the solar industry were producing even two exajoules out of the five hundred exajoules that humanity requires - and it doesn't even 50 years of uncritical cheering - I guarantee you that environmentalists would suddenly discover that they have a huge problem with it.

    I hear a lot of caterwauling about the fantasy "nuclear subsidies" on this site from rote anti-nukes.

    Guess what the entire DOE research budget for small modular nuclear reactors is in this country?

    See page 47.

    That's right, $67 million dollars.   I can hear the anti-nukes screaming even though, in contrast to the very stupid and wasteful solar subsidies, the nuclear energy industry produces, um, energy.

    How much energy?

    806.208 BILLION kwh.

    Also on the very same page is the entire nuclear energy budget of the entire United States government.

    It's um, $857 million, for a system of energy that produces 20% of American electricity while producing zero air pollution and injuring almost no one, as opposed to coal, gas, oil and biomass, which kills 5,000 people a day, every day, 210 per hour, every hour.

    What does $857 million bucks translate in costs when compared to the energy produced?

    It comes to about 0.1 cents per kwh.

    This is 1/100 th of the cost of retail electricity in this country.

    According to Solarbuzz, a solar industry promotion site the cost of solar electricity in this country - this after 50 years of mindless cheering - is 63.57 cents per kwh in a cloudy climate and 29 cents per kwh in a sunny climate.

    Apparrently rich smug people with poor science backgrounds think that this is a good idea to invest in, something that cost 290% - in the best case - in the fantasy "nuclear subsidy."

    Unfortunately for our anti-nuke gas bags, it's relatively simple to figure things out using just multiplication and division.

    How's responsible for the "investment" - which is nothing more than throwing money down the faith based rabbit hole - in the solar energy fantasy at a time when 3 billion people on this planet have no decent sanitation, when a similar number have no clean water, where more than a billion people are practically unfamiliar with what electricity is, where our cities are decaying, where children can't get decent textbooks, where forests are dying and ignorance is on the popular upswing?

    No, it's not Republicans.   It's not even really Democrats.

    It's all of the bourgeois Western world really, which refuses to see reality for what it is; it's the "faith based" crowd.

    Have a nice evening.

    •  is this how you win friends (2+ / 0-)
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      Larsstephens, RunawayRose

      and influence people for your cause?

      America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

      by cacamp on Thu Feb 16, 2012 at 07:38:30 PM PST

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    •  How much did a kilowatt-hour of solar... (2+ / 0-)
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      Larsstephens, RunawayRose

      ...cost 30 years ago? 20 years ago? 10 years ago? 5 years ago? In Germany, definitely not a sunny climate, the cost of a solar KWh has dropped to 38 cents, half what it was just six years ago, a product no doubt of "mindless engineering."

      It's true that nukes produced 80 times more electricity than solar installations did in 2010 (2630 TWh v. 33 TWh; wind generated 345 TWh). So, obviously, there is a long way to go. Nevertheless, wind, solar and geothermal can, will and, most importantly, are contributing to electrical needs in countries around the world. The growth of their output is now faster than growth in nuclear output.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Thu Feb 16, 2012 at 09:48:02 PM PST

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