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  •  Sadly, I agree completely (15+ / 0-)

    I believe that in the end, the Republicans' short-term victories will lead to their eventual defeat.  Not necessarily from an overall political standpoint, very sadly, but simply on this issue.  In the shorter term, say until around 2030, the current status quo will continue.  By that time, the damage to our biosphere, and its cascade of consequences, will be utterly impossible to ignore.  At that point, there will begin a slow, gradual acceptance of the reality of human-caused climate change by GOP public voices - all of which will carefully deny that the direct obstructionist tactics of their forbears are as responsible as the undisciplined use of resources and technology that caused the problem in the first place.  But on this point, it will - for all of us - be too late.  I have no idea what this world will look like in 2030; I simply know that, barring catastrophic illness or accident, I will be here to see it.  I don't expect to like what I see.

    Ironically, another typical GOP obstructionist point - the cry for small government - may well prove to be, at least on this issue, defeated by their own machinations.  Handling the inevitable fallout of severe biosphere damage (more severe than it currently is) will be spectacularly expensive - enough so to make it thoroughly unattractive to private industry.  Who'll be left holding the ticket?  Why, the government of course.  And the GOP will no doubt say that the Democrats caused the atmosphere problem, just as they've successfully blamed Dems for the financial crisis.

    It's not a scary picture.  It should be science fiction; instead, almost everyone reading this diary will probably get to see it, and "I told you so," will be bitter compensation for our having been right.

    •  It may already be too late (13+ / 0-)

      While there is certainly consensus regarding the fact of anthropogenic (sp?) climate change, the question of whether it can be stopped or reversed and/or what it would take to turn it around are not so clear. I recall scientists warning in the 80s and 90s that by the time we are able to say definitively that global warming is happening, it will be too late to stop it even with extraordinary measures.

      "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

      by Alice in Florida on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 01:46:42 PM PST

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      •  I remember that, too (2+ / 0-)
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        "I feel a lot safer already."--Emil Sitka

        by DaddyO on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 02:24:48 PM PST

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      •  Precisely (3+ / 0-)

        The damage is already severe.  It is simply that Republicans are terribly, terribly effective at reaching their base, and brutally efficient at getting out and maintaining a message.  There will come a point at which their strident denials fall on deaf ears, defeated by weight of unignorable evidence - but we're already at a bad enough place now that I thought that would have happened years ago.  It hasn't.

        I wonder what we are going to lose that will bring it home to the most ardent red-staters.  Will the carbon dioxide content in the atmosphere get high enough that smaller animals - like dogs and cats - just can't handle it, and start dying en masse?  Loads of totally valid scientific evidence is all well and good, but all the dogs and cats in America (where they are extremely common housepets) DYING would send a much clearer message to even the most determined deniers.

        Except that somehow, I don't want to know how, the GOP would promptly manufacture a story about how Democrat-imposed regulations had made manufacturing unsafe, so really, all the Fluffies and Rovers of the world dying is really the Democrats' fault.

        •  No. We now live in a world where all truth is (2+ / 0-)
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          subject to editing and revision, where there are no facts but simply assertions of fact, where science is simply opinion and can't possible hold up when challenged by the self-annointed prophets of the marketplace (not to mention god's word), where history is whatever the revisionists with the most money and access to the media say it is, and where a frightening percentage of people get 99% of their information from TV commercials and from the various mouthpieces of the right-wing echo chamber.

          I won't be alive in 50 years, but I expect that the general population will only become less, not more, informed, and that the architects of the societal and planetary destruction that will inevitably happen will never get the full credit they so richly deserve.

          "But there is so much more to do." - Barack Obama, Nov. 4, 2008

          by flitedocnm on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 06:02:12 PM PST

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