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  •  How can I help? (11+ / 0-)

    How do I overcome this feeling of helplessness?

    Back in the 70's they lowered the speed limit to save gas. Why did they raise it again? Did it slow progress too much?

    I feel like we're racing to a stop sign with bad brakes.

    I always think of Easter Island when I think about gradual changes that result in calamity. At some point did they not realize they were chopping down the last tree and wouldn't be able to build any more boats? Whatever their immediate need, it clearly outweighed any concern for the future.  Are we not behaving the same way?

    “The most important trip you may take in life is meeting people halfway” ~ Henry Boye~

    by Terranova0 on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 01:54:57 PM PST

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    •  There's no helping (1+ / 0-)
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      The 1% own the air. They will foul it until it fails to provide profits.

      I'm not feeling much better than YOU are today, are I? But I promise you this: Mere words won't make me feel better or make the crisis better.

      We're all just waiting to see how long it's going to take.

      "I feel a lot safer already."--Emil Sitka

      by DaddyO on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 02:22:14 PM PST

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      •  DaddyO, understand your position, but reason you (1+ / 0-)
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        have no recs is because most of us feel there is always some way out.  Americans define themselves by their possibilities. & even if we don't succeed, let's go down fighting.

        Empathy is going to change the world.

        by Mayfly on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 02:54:58 PM PST

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        •  Agree we need to be fighting, just don't see (4+ / 0-)
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          fight in many people.

          Good to see this diary though, and the one by7 Cassiodorus today. There's a sign of hope. I will also gain hope if we can not only FORCE this topic in the political debate in 2012 but then dispel the doubt and expose the deniers as the dangerous frauds they are.

          Even with all that, we will need to see a movement growing that will quickly be orders of magnitude larger than Occupy (which is not by any means meant to disparage Occupy, but to describe how large this has to be if it is truly going to have mass societal impact on lifestyle behavior in the next 3-4 years when we to need cap emissions, and then shortly thereafter when we need to begin dramatically reducing it year in and year out for over 30 more years...)

          This, too, shall pass. Just like the last global ecological cataclysm. C'est la vie, dude. Take a chill pill, recite the serenity prayer, go with the flow and the moderates into that "goodnight".

          by Words In Action on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 03:48:19 PM PST

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          •  Words In Action, you wrote; (2+ / 0-)
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            "...mass societal impact on lifestyle behavior in the next 3-4 years when we to need cap emissions..."
            Emissions will be capped not by TPTB but by Peak Oil. We are running out...to think otherwise won't make it any different (not saying you do, but others are in denial about this too).

            We are, IMO facing TWO crises that are converging...Peak Oil, and Climate Change. Arguing and fighting about these is not going to help....it wastes time and energy...we must learn to adapt to survive it.

            "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." ~ Edward Abby

            by SaraBeth on Mon Feb 20, 2012 at 04:02:49 AM PST

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            •  We ARE facing two crises, you're right. (3+ / 0-)
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              Unfortunately, running out of oil will not prevent Climate Change from triggering its own disaster. Not only is there more oil to burn, but we have coal, natural gas...let's don't even get started on frakking!

              And not just peak-oil. Pretty much Peak-Natural Resource in general.

              This, too, shall pass. Just like the last global ecological cataclysm. C'est la vie, dude. Take a chill pill, recite the serenity prayer, go with the flow and the moderates into that "goodnight".

              by Words In Action on Mon Feb 20, 2012 at 11:13:47 AM PST

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        •  The laws of physics (7+ / 0-)

          don't give a shit about America or how Americans define themselves.

          •  It's too late to avoid climate change, but its not (3+ / 0-)
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            too late to mitigate it.  So the outcome isn't yet up to the laws of physics alone.  It's also up to human beings, i.e. us.

            In dealing with climate change, the difference between a maderately bad outcome and a catastrophic outcome will mean life or death for thousands of species and millions of human beings.

            So we need to rally and do what we can.  

            If we fail, there'll be plenty of time for despair later.

            •  I hate to say it because it sounds so cruel, (1+ / 0-)
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              but we are not going to be able to save everyone...not of other species, nor some of Humankind. IMO, this is a time of massive evolution. Those who adapt will survive, those who don't simply won't.

              There is no way to sugar coat this... Humankind is smart, and capable of great things. But Mother Nature is greater still...and is about to teach us all a lesson.

              "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." ~ Edward Abby

              by SaraBeth on Mon Feb 20, 2012 at 04:06:41 AM PST

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