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  •  Only nations driven by power and rich (3+ / 0-)
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    ...central governments are able to address the issue at the momumental level it requires.

    The US is an exploitation-based, privatized, capitalist nation with no central vision except for making war and controlling other people's resources. (America's own resources are privately owned, rather than nationalized, so it really doesn't benefit from them or effectively control them.) See my lobby chart above.

    We're going to have to look elsewhere.

    China is interesting because they are using capitalism to address the issue. Most of their native technology is focused on alternative energy. And, they really do have a big deal going on about pollution and global warming, internally.


    "Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." - Aldous Huxley

    by Pluto on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 03:07:46 PM PST

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    •  but they've fought the treaties (1+ / 0-)
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      they are leading on some alternative technologies but they also don't want to slow their economic expansion by cutting back their use of fossil fuels.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 03:20:05 PM PST

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      •  China is methodical (2+ / 0-)
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        I mentioned 5-year plans.

        This is about the one that began in March 2011:

        The blueprint said that China will commit to boosting spending on education, healthcare and public housing, initiatives intended to narrow the wealth gap between the rich and poor.

        While pledging to make China a fairer society which would provide new and stronger sources for future growth, the five-year program also shows China plans to follow a more sustainable and low-carbon development path.

        China used a series of punishing "administrative" measures to try to meet a target to reduce 2005 levels of energy intensity by 20 percent by the end of last year, forcing thousands of energy-guzzling enterprises across the country to shut down after cutting off their power supplies.

        The five-year plan said China will boost the proportion of non-fossil fuels in primary energy consumption to 11.4 percent, and energy consumption and carbon dioxide emissions per unit of GDP should be reduced by 16 percent and 17 percent respectively during the five years.

        Experts lauded the tougher determination which would reinforce the world's efforts to meet the challenges posed by global warming.

        http://news.xinhuanet.com/...


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        by Pluto on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 03:37:50 PM PST

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        •  perhaps that's a relative measure (0+ / 0-)

          within an overall plan of continued rapid growth, because there isn't much indication that hey're losing interest in fossil fuels.

          The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

          by Laurence Lewis on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 05:07:28 PM PST

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          •  By limiting families to one child (3+ / 0-)
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            ...a tremendous sacrifice for the Chinese -- they have done more to push back global warming than all the nations on earth combined. Forever.

            Just sayin'


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            by Pluto on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 06:41:01 PM PST

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            •  heh (0+ / 0-)

              that's not a new policy...

              The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

              by Laurence Lewis on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 06:41:54 PM PST

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              •  So? It was done for the right reason. (2+ / 0-)
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                The Chinese are pragmatists. Plus, they have the oldest ongoing civilization on the planet. They've seen the patterns repeat and the pendulum swing. They are farsighted.

                Not one other nation has stepped up to the plate like that.

                If such a thing were proposed in the West, everyone's hair would catch on fire and they'd be running around screaming:  "Eugenics!"  "Our liberties!"  "Hitler!"

                What is it with Americans wanting to blame the Chinese for all the big stuff?


                "Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." - Aldous Huxley

                by Pluto on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 06:53:33 PM PST

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