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  •  How does Idaho get more delegates than Michigan? (13+ / 0-)

    That confuses me.

    That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

    by concernedamerican on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:03:04 AM PST

    •  Probably due to the awarding of "bonus" delegates. (7+ / 0-)

      I don't know the exact details, but it's likely that a deep "red" state like Idaho gets more of these than Michigan, even though Michigan has a higher population.

      Or maybe some states lose delegates for not following some party guideline.

      ...To organise and teach, no doubt/ Is very good it's true/ But still we can't succeed without/ That good old wooden shoe. - Joe Hill

      by brae70 on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:09:52 AM PST

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    •  I was going to ask Jed the same question (4+ / 0-)

      Michigan has 9 millions souls in need of saving by a Republican, godly candidate while Idaho, home of Ruby Ridge dear to survivalists and wingnuts and not a few Mormons, has but 1.5 million.

      Which leads to another thought: with all the caucuses and the few primaries we've seen on the Republican side, my question is this: do Republicans just not get this democracy thing?  Clearly a vote is much more democratic than a caucus which is just a bunch of people who decide to go for a drive and mill about in a big room.

      Time is an enormous, long river, and I’m standing in it, just as you’re standing in it. My elders are the tributaries, and everything they thought and every struggle they went through & everything they gave their lives to flows down to me-Utah Phillips

      by TerryDarc on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:13:44 AM PST

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    •  By Counting Potatos as 3/5ths of a Person? (11+ / 0-)

      I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Republican Party.

      by OnlyWords on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:14:00 AM PST

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    •  Actually a little of both. (7+ / 0-)

      Check out this delegate chart.

      ...To organise and teach, no doubt/ Is very good it's true/ But still we can't succeed without/ That good old wooden shoe. - Joe Hill

      by brae70 on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:14:21 AM PST

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      •  How do they decide on "penalty" and "bonus" (3+ / 0-)
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        delegates?  Maryland has no bonus delegates.   Is that because our IQ is over 120 here?  Or is that the "penalty"?

        "Don't dream it, be it" - Brad, Janet and Frank

        by captainlaser on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:21:02 AM PST

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      •  WTF? OR gets 28 ID gets 32 (5+ / 0-)

        Oregon has 3.8 million residents and Idaho has 1.5 million. No penalties or bonus (whatever those are) involved?

        I really think Republicans only have a very vague notion of what a popular democracy is about.

        Time is an enormous, long river, and I’m standing in it, just as you’re standing in it. My elders are the tributaries, and everything they thought and every struggle they went through & everything they gave their lives to flows down to me-Utah Phillips

        by TerryDarc on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:29:12 AM PST

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        •  I believe the penalty is for (1+ / 0-)
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          going against a party rule. The Dems did this too in '08 (some states held primaries earlier than the party "window").  The bonus?  Who knows?

          ...To organise and teach, no doubt/ Is very good it's true/ But still we can't succeed without/ That good old wooden shoe. - Joe Hill

          by brae70 on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:34:02 AM PST

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          •  But We (OR) Don't Gots No Penalty! (3+ / 0-)
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            And get this! South Dakota* (which I understand is someplace far to the east of me right now in the vast plains of middle America somewhere) get 4.75 delegates per resident to our 1!

            I tell ya', Republicans simply don't understand a popular democracy.

            * Population 810k vs. 3.8 million for Oregon...just b/c we're a blue state?

            Time is an enormous, long river, and I’m standing in it, just as you’re standing in it. My elders are the tributaries, and everything they thought and every struggle they went through & everything they gave their lives to flows down to me-Utah Phillips

            by TerryDarc on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:47:50 AM PST

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            •  I think you got it Terry. (3+ / 0-)
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              The formula is skewed in favor of the red states and against the blue states, which of course pulls them further right and makes it harder to win the blue states.  

              My own Massachusetts gets the 1 bonus vote, I guess, for electing Scott Brown.

              BTW, the Dems did something like this in the 60's to penalize the segregationist south by awarding more bonus votes to NY, MA etc.  Determine the result you want first, then figure out a formula that will reach it.

              ...To organise and teach, no doubt/ Is very good it's true/ But still we can't succeed without/ That good old wooden shoe. - Joe Hill

              by brae70 on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 10:06:51 AM PST

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            •  It's a Left Coast thing (0+ / 0-)

              Blame it on the late Ken Kesey.

              "He not busy being born is busy dying." R. Zimmerman

              by RUKind on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 06:23:42 PM PST

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    •  It is the "really" white folk bounce. (7+ / 0-)

      They proportionate their delegates on the white to non-white ratio.   Idaho clearly wins.

      (/snark).

      "Don't dream it, be it" - Brad, Janet and Frank

      by captainlaser on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:18:20 AM PST

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    •  Michigan got penalized for going early! (2+ / 0-)
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      Lost half their delegates -- Idaho may have gotten some bonus delegates for voting so heavily republicaqn as well.

    •  additional Aryan Nation Über-delegates /nt (2+ / 0-)
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      dangerous voter for a "dangerous president"; Präsidentenelf-maßschach; Warning-Some Snark Above"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Sciant terra viam monstrare."

      by annieli on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:33:56 AM PST

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    •  because Idaho (3+ / 0-)
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      does shit like declare in the constitution that marriage is between a man and a woman and refuses to add gay and transgender folks to the human rights act. We get bonus delegates for extremism.

      •  That and how very red that state has become... (4+ / 0-)
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        ...since Frank Church was in the senate. My thoughts exactly.

        Time is an enormous, long river, and I’m standing in it, just as you’re standing in it. My elders are the tributaries, and everything they thought and every struggle they went through & everything they gave their lives to flows down to me-Utah Phillips

        by TerryDarc on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:48:55 AM PST

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    •  Republican bonus delegates (4+ / 0-)
      Bonus Delegates
      President: States casting a majority of their 2008 Electoral Votes for the Republican Candidate receive 4.5 + 0.60 × the Jurisdiction's Total 2008 Electoral Vote in bonus delegates. Should the District of Columbia cast the majority of their electoral votes for the Republican Candidate, the District will receive 4.5 + (0.30 × 16) in bonus delegates. Round any fractions UP to the next whole number. [Rules 13(a)(5) and 13(a)(7)]
      U.S. Senate: Award 1 bonus delegate for each Republican Senator elected in the 6 year period between January 1, 2006 and December 31, 2011. Limit 2. [Rule 13(a)(6)]
      Governor States electing a Republican Governor between January 1, 2008 and December 31, 2011 receive 1 bonus delegate. Limit: 1. [Rule 13(a)(5)(i)]
      U.S. House: States electing Republicans to 50% or more of their U.S. House seats between January 1, 2008 and December 31, 2011 receive 1 bonus delegate. Limit 1. [Rule 13(a)(5)(ii)]
      One Chamber: States electing a Republican majority to one chamber of the state legislature (OR the legislature is presided over by a Republican) between January 1, 2008 and December 31, 2011 receive 1 bonus delegate. Limit 1. [Rule 13(a)(5)(iii)]
      All Chambers: States electing a Republican majority to all chambers of the state legislature (OR all chambers are presided over by a Republican) between January 1, 2008 and December 31, 2011 receive 1 bonus delegate. Limit 1. [Rule 13(a)(5)(iv)]
      http://www.thegreenpapers.com/...

      Am I right, or am I right? - The Singing Detective

      by Clem Yeobright on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:44:45 AM PST

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      •  D delegations ALSO not strictly by population (1+ / 0-)
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        "The rules for the 2012 Democratic National Convention call for the following formula to be used in determining the allocation of delegate votes to each state and jurisdiction sending a delegation to the Convention:

        Each state plus the District of Columbia is to be assigned a number of Base delegate votes based on an "Allocation Factor" multiplied by 3,700 (the optimum minimum size of a Democratic National Convention as determined by the Democratic National Committee): a state's (or D.C.'s) "Allocation Factor" being a decimal fraction arrived at through a calculation involving the following factors-

        the state's (or D.C.'s) popular vote for the Democratic candidate for President in the three Presidential Elections just previous to the Convention (in this case: 2000, 2004, and 2008). This is the "State's Democratic Vote" [SDV].
        the total popular vote for the Democratic candidate for President in the three Presidential Elections just previous to the Convention. This is the "Total Democratic Vote" [TDV].
        the state's Electoral Vote [SEV] and
        the total Electoral Vote [TEV] (538)
        The formula for determining a given state's (or D.C.'s) "Allocation Factor" [AF] is:

        AF = ½ × ( ( SDV ÷ TDV ) + ( SEV ÷ 538 ) )
        [2012 Call for the Democratic Convention I.B.]

        The number of Base delegate votes assigned to a state is AF × 3,700.

        http://2012.democratic-convention.org/...

        Am I right, or am I right? - The Singing Detective

        by Clem Yeobright on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:51:40 AM PST

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    •  They count potato heads as people (1+ / 0-)
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      in Idaho.  They agree 100% with the party line.

      Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity. Horace Mann (and btw, the bike in kayakbiker is a bicycle)

      by Kayakbiker on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:45:44 AM PST

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    •  Spuds are counted in the population. -eom- (0+ / 0-)

      We reach for the stars with shaking hands in bare-knuckle times.

      by TheOrchid on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:47:06 AM PST

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    •  Punishment (1+ / 0-)
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      From our friends at Wiki:

      The 2012 Michigan Republican primary will take place on February 28, 2012,[1] Michigan was given 59 delegates to the GOP national convention, but this number was reduced to 30 as a penalty for bringing election date forward before 6th March as the GOP rules set.[2] The candidate with the greatest number of votes in each of the 14 Congressional Districts will receive two delegates. The two remaining delegates will be given proportionally.
      Not sure how they'll proportion two delegates. But that's not my problem.

      Democrats are not always right, but Republicans are insane.

      by BobBlueMass on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 01:58:08 PM PST

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