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  •  Can he tell you you can't buy alcohol with it? (0+ / 0-)

    or lap dances?

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    by Clem Yeobright on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 05:22:35 PM PST

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    •  It's a lunch coupon... (6+ / 0-)

      ...which is offered to let employees get a nutritious lunch -- the places it is good at don't offer alcohol or lap dances. But the places DO serve ham, which is a perfectly ordinary & legal lunch food for Gentiles. So the question is, should he be allowed to mark the coupon "not to be used for non-Kosher food", to force his Gentile employees to eat kosher?

      Of course, if it was for food at his kosher deli, then of course the food would be kosher. But the point here is that no one is demanding that Catholic hospitals prescribe the Pill, contrary to what Republicans are claiming. The requirement is that it cover ordinary services at ordinary non-Catholic hospitals.

      The question is: does that mean that they are "paying for" the health care services the employee uses? No, they aren't, unless they are "paying for" everything that the employees purchases with their wages.

      •  If they did sell beer, would you allow (0+ / 0-)

        that he can pay for your soda but refuse to pay for beer at the same price?

        The analogy is deeply flawed because Jews do not believe anyone goes to hell for eating non-kosher food; the rule - g_d's rule - applies to Jews only.

        Some companies do refuse to pay for alcohol on expense vouchers, even though they know it is standard and good practice for their sales staff to provide alcohol to clients.

        We've seen that, as currently organized, health insurance is the same as an expense account. Do you object to a no-alcohol rule?

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        by Clem Yeobright on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 06:39:06 PM PST

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        •  Health insurance is NOT like an expense account (3+ / 0-)

          Health insurance is NOT the same as an expense account -- travel expenses really ARE the company's money, and they get to decide whether I fly first class, coach, or don't travel at all.

          Consider health spending accounts -- employees contribute their OWN money. And for the health plans, I get a choice of 4 -- the company pays a fixed amount regardless of which I choose -- because that's part of my compensation. And I don't account to the company for any of my health care -- it's none of their business.

          Enough. I don't know why you think that two things treated the same by tax law are therefore the same. That wouldn't be a compelling argument even without the many other differences.

          •  If it's compensation, pay your damn taxes. (0+ / 0-)

            FYI: I have always paid my health insurance with after-tax money, i.e., out of my taxable compensation.

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            by Clem Yeobright on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 06:55:52 PM PST

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