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  •  Knowing a child is disabled before birth (26+ / 0-)

    has other benefits besides abortion for those who want it. Surgeons even operate on fetuses in the womb now to prevent some defects identified through prenatal ultrasound. It can help parents or the neonatal team prepare for possible complications. A rural woman having a Down's baby with a whole in his heart might choose to give birth at a city hospital with a NICU, for example.

    It could also prevent abortions in cases where an older woman who can't afford testing decides she would rather have an abortion than risk having a child with Down's. No one asserts those figures.

    As the daughter of two parents with disabilities, including a mother with retardation, I am not offended by women making the best choice for them. Some women learn their children won't live or won't function at all (they have no brains) and have abortions. I am ok with that choice. Some are older and realize if there would be no one to care for that child when he grows up and still needs care after they die in 35 years. My mother cannot take care of herself without assistance, and both her parents are dead. Fortunately, she gas siblings who do this (I was placed in foster care and haven't had contact with her in years).

    Who is anyone to judge a woman for deciding a disabled child is more than she could handle? I am 42 and I could not even handle a non-disabled baby right now. If you believe in the right to choose, then you accept a woman's right to terminate her pregnancy whether the fetus is healthy or disabled. Why would one be somehow morally worse than the other?

    We Won't Let Republicans Replace Medicare with GOP Vouchercare!

    by CatM on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 09:45:16 AM PST

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    •  Sorry for typos. Using iPhone to post. NT (2+ / 0-)
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      We Won't Let Republicans Replace Medicare with GOP Vouchercare!

      by CatM on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 09:53:30 AM PST

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    •  In answer to your question of (10+ / 0-)
      If you believe in the right to choose, then you accept a woman's right to terminate her pregnancy whether the fetus is healthy or disabled. Why would one be somehow morally worse than the other?
      That's the issue of selection. I am thinking now of earlier post regarding Norway's debate on this (where right and left are on opposite sides than they are here)

      Most of us would not think it would be okay if we used tests and selective abortions for other characteristics or even for sex of the child.  
      But we are okay with this selective abortion based on disability. (Including me) We understand the reasons for that

      But little ricky isn't so much making some moral argument as trying to prove his superior morals by accusing Obama of being immoral and wanting this to "cull the ranks of the disabled in our society"

      rick would have been less offensive had he stated his views without using it as an attack on those with other views. I suspect Obama is no fiend culler of the disabled and I note he is not ordering abortions based on findings of the test.
      Pretty sure he feels people have the right to make this choice for themselves. Even having the test is not a mandate, it's a choice.
      Imagine that. Choice
      A scary thing about rick is not his own beliefs, he's welcome to them, not even his sense of superiority about them. It is that he clearly wants to widen his beliefs as policy, he wants to make our choices

    •  Amen. Knowledge is power. (7+ / 0-)

      Prenatal testing -- ultrasounds, maternal blood tests, amniocentesis -- provide a wealth of information.  But every circumstance is unique.

      The same ultrasounds that can flag potential Down syndrome also identify if the placenta is in a dangerous location, which may require special monitoring to prevent miscarriage or death.  Blood testing can flag maternal diabetes, or other risky situations that may be readily treatable.

      There's also some evidence -- experimental at this point -- that there may be ways to improve the outcome of even genetic syndromes like Down syndrome.  For example, very high folic acid diets may help a Down Syndrome brain develop more normally.  My own work suggests (for a different, but relatively common genetic syndrome) that fetuses with a chromosomal anomaly may be much more sensitive to a lack of certain nutrients.

      Even without considering abortion, Down fetuses are much more prone to miscarriage and other complications.  A woman carrying a Down fetus should have significantly more prenatal care and attention for that reason alone.
       

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