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  •  I get a degree for NINE credits (3+ / 0-)

    That's not a degree, that's an accreditation.  The work that follows is just that, work.  9-5, five days a week, defined goals/projects/objectives.  

    •  Nine credits and, well, you know, actually (0+ / 0-)

      appliable training in a lab...

      •  Germany pays its trainees (1+ / 0-)
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        Proudly pays its workforce to be one of the best in the world.

        There is nothing wrong with being paid for work performed.

        The US and its corporations have spread this idea that "training" is a burden and therefore the trainee should suffer accordingly during this period.


        One may live without bread, but not without roses.
        ~Jean Richepin
        Bread & Roses

        by bronte17 on Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 02:48:37 AM PST

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        •  No, it means that getting the education is more (0+ / 0-)

          valued, and thus compensation is both in the form of cash and the certification (masters, doctorate, etc.).

          I'm all for raising the wages of RAs. I am not for RA unionization. You can raise the wages of RAs by increasing the size of the grant pool. If RAs unionize, they'll just demand that for each grant, more money gets drained from the grant pool. That means higher unemployment of RAs (or practically, less people doing research), and thus a slower rate of technological advancement. Neither of those two things are good.

          And by the way, "training" isn't considered a burden. It's considered to have costs. Which it very much does.

          •  The certification comes *at the end* (0+ / 0-)

            when the knowledge is mastered through teaching and research.

            You damn well bet that getting a doctorate is hard work.

            As for your false analogy that the demand of wages will drive down the allocation of resources to the actual research... that's bullshit. Grant applications will have an accounting for the monies requested. And the requisite knowledge and application of same to return positive results to the grantors is the highest and best use of the money. You want slaves? Or do you want quality assurance for success of your project?

            Universities have increasingly turned to TAs to take the place of tenured staff. This is indeed an economic policy and not one of education-only. These TAs are taxed on the compensation they receive. It is not gift money.

            These "assistants" keep the universities running. They are an integral component without which the universities could not function.

            Everything has costs and benefits. Too many corporations and their stooges... i.e. of which you appear to be one... constantly harp on the high cost of labor which is a filthy lie. As always, it is the allocation of limited resources that are siphoned off and misappropriated for non-productive uses. And labor is NOT one of those non-productive entities.


            One may live without bread, but not without roses.
            ~Jean Richepin
            Bread & Roses

            by bronte17 on Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 08:17:09 PM PST

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