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  •  That's not how I see it (3+ / 0-)
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    weck, TiaRachel, word is bond

    He's saying he would have liked to serve in the IDF. That's the unfortunate part for him.  Could the senitment have been expressed better? Sure.  But I really think we're taking something and stretching it like the Republicans did with Michelle's comment.

    "Valerie, why am I getting all these emails calling me a classless boor?"

    by TLS66 on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 04:39:15 PM PST

    •  You think its cool for Americans to casually (4+ / 0-)

      mention serving in a foreign military force?

      •  I'll grant you it's odd (4+ / 0-)

        But it happens.  Depends on the foreign military force and the circumstances.  An elderly man mentions wanting to fight Hitler when war started in 1939, but America wasn't yet in the war, so he joined the RAF?  Bully for him!

        "Valerie, why am I getting all these emails calling me a classless boor?"

        by TLS66 on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 05:05:04 PM PST

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      •  i think we can make much of the difference... (3+ / 0-)
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        greenbird, charliehall2, TLS66

        ... between someone saying they wished they could have served with a nation that America has strong ties with: for example Israel, the UK, Canada, etc.; and someone saying they regret having worn an American uniform because they'd rather have served with some other country.  

        For example I can imagine Navy geeks saying they'd love to have served a stint with the Royal Navy, because England has an incredibly rich Naval tradition and it is probably reflected in every detail of the way they do business today.  

        But the difference is that when someone disparages the US in favor of some other country, that starts to stink to high heaven.

        So this guy darn well ought to be called out on it.  And the fact that he made his fortune in gambling, which is a sin, also ought to be used against him relentlessly.  

        "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 06:51:29 PM PST

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        •  Excellent analyses (1+ / 0-)
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          Nothing wrong at all with serving an ally in time of international crisis. For quite some time, Israel's enemies have been the same enemies the US faces. Israel is now the most important US ally in the Middle East and US/Israel military cooperation is at the highest level in history.

          But trashing our on servicemen and women is beyond the pale. Unfortunately, there have been folks here on Dailykos who have done the same; see next comment.

        •  We should not trash the US military here either (1+ / 0-)
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          This diary accused the US military of "show trials" for Gitmo detainees and others accused of terrorism:


          Now, the military justice system isn't the same as the civilian one (and I do support civilian trials for suspected terrorists). But they do have due process and it is comparable with the system in many other free countries. I've known many military lawyers and they care about things like that a lot! To suggest that people in our military would ignore the very protections they volunteered to fight for is beyond the pale.

    •  So it's just bad wording? The guy could... (6+ / 0-)

      ...have gone to Israel and obtained citizenship and an IDF uniform. What was stopping him?

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 05:06:10 PM PST

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