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  •  Look throughout Latin and Central America (8+ / 0-)

    and you can find instances and patterns of governments and Right wing militias killing, raping, maiming, torturing, and disappearing their citizens, including journalists, labor leaders, students, and anyone else that gets in their way.

    Yet countries like Colombia receive military aid and are the subject of special trade agreements.  

    My point stands: victims of enemies receive air and print time; victims of client states are not emphasized, if reported at all.

    To think that the corporate business press does not have an agenda here is naive and dangerous.  

    And yeah, Mexico's government is involved in many of the media and elected official murders - city cops have killed mayors, for example.  

    So, short answer to your pithy remark: Yes.

    "The attack on the truth by war begins long before war starts and continues long after a war ends." -Julian Assange

    by Pierro Sraffa on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 07:07:24 AM PST

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    •  For a good text, start with (5+ / 0-)
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      Human Rights in Mexico: a policy of impunity, Ellen L. Lutz.

      "The attack on the truth by war begins long before war starts and continues long after a war ends." -Julian Assange

      by Pierro Sraffa on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 07:36:45 AM PST

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      •  i tipped your comments because i believe (4+ / 0-)
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        that the violence in mexico, central and south america is being ignored and is also critically important.

        would you consider doing diaries on these counties and the situation?

        here in north america, we are woefully ignorant of central and south american news and governments.

        PLEASE start a group or series - i'd love to read more!

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        by edrie on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 11:56:22 AM PST

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    •  City Cops are killing mayors because they're (3+ / 0-)
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      corrupt vis a vis the drug trade.

      But I'm so glad you came in to derail the diary on a topic you think is more important than what's being written.

      Today, strive to be the person you want to be.

      by GoGoGoEverton on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 07:45:53 AM PST

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      •  The Mexican government itself in many cases, (2+ / 0-)
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        outside of the drug traffic organizations, are killing dissenting journalists.  They are facts, and I provided the name of an academic who has done extensive work here.

        If you want war with Syria, make that argument.  Don't elevate Murdoch into some guardian of human rights, and don't value the life of one journalist over and above hundreds of others, which is precisely what is going to happen in this case.

        But I'm so glad you came in to derail the diary on a topic you think is more important than what's being written.
        Stop suggesting that there is some sort of fundamental difference between Syria and US client states in Central and South America, and I'll stop replying to you.  

        "The attack on the truth by war begins long before war starts and continues long after a war ends." -Julian Assange

        by Pierro Sraffa on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 07:54:43 AM PST

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        •  There is a fundamental difference, but let's (4+ / 0-)
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          just stop it there, since you also implied we're elevating Murdoch above anything besides giving credit where credit is go, etc. Clearly you have an agenda beyond the current discussion. Good day.

          Today, strive to be the person you want to be.

          by GoGoGoEverton on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 08:06:49 AM PST

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          •  Good argument. (3+ / 0-)
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            There is a fundamental difference, but let's just stop it there
            You don't, and haven't, noted the difference, because there isn't one.  

            The story is already having adverse consequences, with the WH back tracking on its position to not arm the rebels, for a journalist working for Murdoch owned criminal enterprise, who was residing in a known rebel house in a country with an ongoing nearly year old civil war.  

            And let's get some more of the facts straight: the garden behind the rebel house was hit with two rockets, because the city in which the house is located is central to rebel resistance.  The journalists knew the risks they were taking by putting themselves into such proximity with the rebels.

            It is decidedly not a reason for US policy changes with respect to Syria, yet pushing this story is already having that effect.

            War 101: Push narratives that create victims and make your enemies appear evil, while minimizing the same atrocities done by your friends.

            "The attack on the truth by war begins long before war starts and continues long after a war ends." -Julian Assange

            by Pierro Sraffa on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 08:34:01 AM PST

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        •  It is completely idiotic to compare (3+ / 0-)
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          Syria to Mexico or Guatemala or even Honduras.

          Completely.

          "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

          by Geekesque on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 09:47:44 AM PST

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          •  The comparison is worthy vs. unworthy victims, (0+ / 0-)

            and has been relevant and on point since WWII, if not earlier.

            "The attack on the truth by war begins long before war starts and continues long after a war ends." -Julian Assange

            by Pierro Sraffa on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 09:52:27 AM PST

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            •  Please write coherently. (4+ / 0-)

              No one is saying that the journalists in Mexico who have been murdered (primarily by the cartels) are any less 'worthy' than those killed by the Syrian army.

              you are the one who wrote this pile of pig crap:

              Stop suggesting that there is some sort of fundamental difference between Syria and US client states in Central and South America, and I'll stop replying to you.  
              Syria is a fucking dictatorship.  It massacres its own citizens rather than give them the right to publish their opinions or vote.

              No state in Central or South America--no matter how flawed their systems and societies are--comes close.  Not Honduras.  Not Cuba.  Not Colombia.  Not Venezuela.

              "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

              by Geekesque on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 10:15:54 AM PST

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              •  Despite his jabs, I stopped arguing because it's (1+ / 0-)
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                clear that the user has one agenda that they will not be moved from.

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                by GoGoGoEverton on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 10:27:39 AM PST

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                •  I'll pick one: Colombia vs. Syria (1+ / 0-)
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                  You are very wrong, and I won't need to swear or insult your intelligence to make my point.

                  Both have ongoing civil wars.  Both have governments that kill their own citizens and suppress dissent.  More than 3800 labor union leaders have been killed in Colombia since the 1980s.  The repression is ongoing.

                  The US seeks a free trade agreement with Colombia and provides military aid, assisting in the repression and murder of labor organizers.

                  In the case of Syria, the US Right wants to arm the rebels while the US Left cannot decide if that is a good idea or not.

                  Clearly there are worthy and unworthy victims.  It doesn't surprise me that US liberals would help push a narrative that  could lead the US into another proxy war.  It disappoints, but doesn't surprise.

                  "The attack on the truth by war begins long before war starts and continues long after a war ends." -Julian Assange

                  by Pierro Sraffa on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 10:47:49 AM PST

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                  •  "ongoing civil wars" (3+ / 0-)
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                    If one holds that the Syrian protestors and FARC are exactly the same, I guess your point holds.

                    For those interested in rational discussion, however, your words are still nonsense.

                     

                    "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                    by Geekesque on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 10:58:57 AM PST

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                    •  I never said FARC and, say, Riyad al-Turk (0+ / 0-)

                      are exactly the same, though if you got the two together they'd agree on far more than they disagree on, but that's not the point I was bringing up.

                      Peruse the websites of all the major media outlets.  The Syria story is front and center and will remain there.  The same is never true when a US client state is the one doing the repressing.

                      "The attack on the truth by war begins long before war starts and continues long after a war ends." -Julian Assange

                      by Pierro Sraffa on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 11:21:46 AM PST

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                      •  BTW, it's amusing that you call them (0+ / 0-)

                        protestors, when the rebels are armed and in control of multiple cities, and are being led by defectors from the military.

                        It's a civil war and you can't obfuscate that by misusing and abusing language.

                        "The attack on the truth by war begins long before war starts and continues long after a war ends." -Julian Assange

                        by Pierro Sraffa on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 11:23:29 AM PST

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              •  Why do you mention (0+ / 0-)

                Honduras, Colombia and Venezuela.   They have democracies.  As good as ours.

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