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  •  Should the US stop giving Saudi Arabia cover... (0+ / 0-)

    ....as it helped slaughter hundreds in Bahrain?

    Should the US actively intervene on behalf of the rebels in both countries?

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    by PatriciaVa on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 07:43:30 AM PST

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    •  Why are you on this, Patricia? (4+ / 0-)
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      Who said anything about helping out the rebels? We're not providing either side cover in Syria, and we did so in Libya only as part of a broad (real, not a fake Bush one) coalition of nations.

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      by GoGoGoEverton on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 08:08:39 AM PST

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    •  I don't think military intervention (2+ / 0-)
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      ...is viable, useful or possible - especially given the diplomatic stalemate.

      But there are other kinds of intervention which could pile the pressure on

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      by Brit on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 08:10:23 AM PST

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    •  Should you be belittling what is happening (1+ / 0-)
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      to the people of Syria by going off-topic?  Especially with exaggerations of the death count in Bahrain:

      http://bahrainrights.hopto.org/...

      According to the Bahraini opposition groups, there have not even been a hundred deaths in the period of about one year.  Now, as terrible as that is, especially in a small country like Bahrain, it is not even close to the scale of what is happening in Syria.

      In Syria, we have seen numerous days where more people are killed in one day than in the entire last year in Bahrein.

      Or do you not understand that artillery and tank shelling of entire cities signifies a completely different level of repression and killing than what has happened in Bahrain?

      Your attempts at creating false equivalencies in a diary like this one is shameful.

      "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

      by Lawrence on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 08:10:31 AM PST

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      •  Population of Syria/Bahrain - 20.4M/1.3M (3+ / 0-)
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        So, 200 dead in Bahrain is comparable to 3,100 dead in Syria.

        It is a big deal.

        It is not a false equivalency.

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        by PatriciaVa on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 08:18:23 AM PST

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        •  It's not an either/or though (4+ / 0-)
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          We should condemn both sets of repressions.

          However, the situation in Homs more resembles Bosnia, with a near genocide in the style of Srebrenica, now taking place.

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          by Brit on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 08:21:10 AM PST

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        •  It is a false equivalency, because they are (0+ / 0-)

          shelling entire cities in Syria, the people are in danger of starving to death in some cities, and it is spinning out of control.

          And btw, you just exaggerated the death toll in Bahrain again.  That is shameful spinning.  Please stop while you are not too far behind.

          I suggest you write a quality diary on Bahrain instead of (mis)using the plight of the Bahrainis in an attempt to distract from the horror of what is going on in Syria.

          "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

          by Lawrence on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 08:24:50 AM PST

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          •  What did the NYTimes say about Hussein's.... (4+ / 0-)

            ...repression.....

            http://en.wikipedia.org/...

            The New York Times described in its obituary how Saddam "murdered as many as a million of his people, many with poison gas. He tortured, maimed and imprisoned countless more. His unprovoked invasion of Iran is estimated to have left another million people dead. His seizure of Kuwait threw the Middle East into crisis. More insidious, arguably, was the psychological damage he inflicted on his own land. Hussein created a nation of informants — friends on friends, circles within circles — making an entire population complicit in his rule".[28] Others have estimated 800,000 deaths caused by Saddam not counting the Iran-Iraq war.[29] Estimates as to the number of Iraqis executed by Saddam's regime vary from 300–500,000[30] to over 600,000,[31] estimates as to the number of Kurds he massacred vary from 70,000 to 300,000,[32] and estimates as to the number killed in the put-down of the 1991 rebellion vary from 60,000[33] to 200,000.[31] Estimates for the number of dead in the Iran-Iraq war range upwards from 300,000.[34]

            Perhaps Bush was right when he spearheaded the liberation of Iraq from a despot like Hussein.

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            by PatriciaVa on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 08:41:26 AM PST

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            •  None of that matters, because a Repub lied about (2+ / 0-)
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              WMD.

            •  You haven't even addressed your exaggerations (0+ / 0-)

              and your previous false equivalency yet, but you move on to another false equivalency.  Are you even interested in real conversation or are you just trying to win an argument?

              Syria is not Iraq

              Obama is not Bush

              Different countries, different eras, different Presidents.

              "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

              by Lawrence on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 06:45:12 PM PST

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