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  •  Pneuma, I can't decide whether you are sincere, (0+ / 0-)

    sincerely a troll, sincerely influenced by your penis, or sincerely influenced by some political or philosophical position I just don't buy. But when you say things such as:

    It's not about hating women, or wanting control over women's bodies.       OR

    Some women are very in-your-face about abortion. They're proud of having one. When our side behaves this way - when they say things like men have no right to an opinion on murder - you provide confirmation to the other side that we are EVIL.     OR

    If I believed that abortion was murder, and that babies were being killed, I don't think I could stop at activism. The fact that more violence isn't being perpetuated by them speaks to their restraint.

    Those make me suspicious, even if you say you're just trying to explain the other side to us. First of all, not to think that control enters into this is just naive, no matter what other beliefs may accompany anti-choice positions. Second, women being "in your face" is about as old a dog whistle as they come.  Third, you think anti-choicers are restrained in their violence, and that if you thought as they did you'd go as far, or further??! How many deaths a/o bombings will it take for you to consider "their" actions as unrestrained?  And last of all, Jesus Christ, we really really don't need "the other side" explained to us. We've been hearing it and dealing with it since before Roe, even since before we had our first periods.  I find you perplexing, to say the least.

    •  I like perplexing (0+ / 0-)

      People are complicated. Issues are complicated. They should be hard to figure out.

      This diary is about framing. The discussion is about how people think about things. Communication is impossible unless at least one party understands both party's points of view. I try very hard to get into the head of my opponents. Sometimes that makes me sound sympathetic. Hell, some times it makes me sympathetic.

      If I sound like a pro-lifer, it is because this is an issue I've given a lot of thought too. Sanctity of life versus quality of life was the debate topic my senior year of high school, and I've spent the last 20 years going over both dies of the argument.

      I apologize if I was condescending, or misleading. I doubt the discussion of this diary would be very entertaining of all the comments were "yeah, what she said". If we all agree, that's boring. :)

      It's not 11th dimensional chess; it's just chess. And he's KICKING YOUR ASS.

      by pneuma on Fri Feb 24, 2012 at 07:32:07 PM PST

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      •  It's not as complicated as you want to make it (2+ / 0-)
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        It's really quite a clear-cut issue: do women have the right to control their own bodies and their own reproduction?

        If the answer is "yes", then anything else is just nitpicking over details.

        If it's
        Not your body,
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        And it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Fri Feb 24, 2012 at 09:12:10 PM PST

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      •  Freaky Friday diaries are entertaining. Even (0+ / 0-)

        Lightbulb's informative diaries can be entertaining, although they're about serious subject matter. But this topic and this diary I don't think are supposed to be "entertaining." BTW, it  IS condescending to suggest that because I pointed out that this debate should be settled as an issue before medical school (which is where I referenced my own high school days), I haven't thought about this ever again. Clearly I have, and continue to do so, or I wouldn't be commenting here, now would I?

        Frankly, I wish this was not an issue which has faced me either personally a/o professionally every day for around 35 years. But the recent actions of OK and VA, as well as the 3 stooges of the GOP primary serve to remind me again that the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

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