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  •  how are they being forced, (2+ / 0-)
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    if they aren't forced to participate in either contraception or abortion?

    •  By being forced to pay for (0+ / 0-)

      the insurance that leads to the pill/procedure.

      If i think abortion is morally wrong (i do) then i would not pay for someone elses abortion. If the government required me to pay for it, that would go against my religious freedom.

      •  We are not allowed refuse to pay.... (4+ / 0-)

        taxes for war if we don't believe in war. Why should this be any different?

        You can continue to serve at

        by rickeagle on Fri Feb 24, 2012 at 08:38:21 AM PST

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        •  you could (0+ / 0-)

          leave the country or choose to reduce your income to avoid paying income taxes.

          But the constitution is pretty explicit that the government may tax us. Likewise it is explicit that the government may make wars. That is why it is different.

          They do not violate the first ammendment like this does.

          •  Yeah, that's perfectly fricken reasonable... (0+ / 0-)

            just stop making money, so you can avoid income taxes, which then pay for wars.

            How about if an employer doesn't agree with providing full medical coverage to their employees, birth control included, then they should just shut down their business?  That would allow them to avoid something they don't wish to participate in, now wouldn't it?

            That's brilliant logical, just fucking brilliant.  I'm glad you came up with that idea.

      •  Yeah, but... (4+ / 0-)

        if they're paying their employees money, and those employees turn around and blow it all on abortions, birth control pills and lap dances then they're paying for it either way.  They cannot control their employees choices to this extent, they're not minions, they're not followers of some cult, they're there to earn a paycheck and be provided health insurance.  

        For employers to think that they have a say in how their employees or their insurance company spends their money, that they earned, is fucking ludicrous.  

        •  not at all (0+ / 0-)

          once the employee has been paid, then the money belongs to the employee. So the employee is paying for it. Not the employer.

          For employers to think that they have a say in how their employees or their insurance company spends their money, that they earned,
          But the employer gets to deicde what goes into the contract before it is signed, before the employer consents. They have that right because it is the employers money which he may spend as he chooses.
          •  the reason that (2+ / 0-)
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            rickeagle, Calamity Jean

            insurance companies make any money at all to pay their employees and survive as a business is by making more money from what the people spend on their company than what they'll ever use. So, the money an individual spends for insurance will never go to an abortion if they don't choose to have one. Their money goes to their own medical costs plus paying for all of the company's other expenses. Unless by some chance you have such horrible medical problems that makes you spend less for your insurance than what they cover for you, which is rare or else they'd go out of business, then you aren't paying for anyone else's abortions.

            •  additionally, (1+ / 0-)
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              Calamity Jean

              when what people pay is partially for paying for the procedures of others, that would include really expensive procedures. Abortions are not on the higher end of expensive procedures. Most range between $300 and $900 when the expensive medical procedures that are paid for in part by other people are the ones that are in the thousands.

          •  And once the insurance premiums are paid... (0+ / 0-)

            that money is the insurance company's, it's no longer the employers, so what business is it of the employers what procedures or medications the insurance company provides with said money?

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