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  •  Explain to me how the Catholics can ignore all (16+ / 0-)

    of the pedophilia exposed in their church. And all the other various scandals in other faiths.

    •  I don't know (5+ / 0-)
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      It strikes me as the major condemnation of the the prohibition of marriage and of chastity upon priests.

      •  Whoa there, pedophilia (child rape) (2+ / 0-)
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        cannot be attributed to taking a vow of celibacy.

        When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

        by msmacgyver on Sun Feb 26, 2012 at 10:42:19 AM PST

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        •  No it's not (1+ / 0-)
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          but it is certainly a device for trying to deal with it, especially if you grow up in a Catholic environment.

          •  Clarify please - are you contending (2+ / 0-)
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            that growing up in a Catholic environment allows the belief that IF ONLY priests were allow to marry and have children, pedophelia would not occur?

            When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

            by msmacgyver on Sun Feb 26, 2012 at 11:01:36 AM PST

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            •  No (1+ / 0-)
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              if you are a pedophile raised in a Catholic environment, you might seek out ways to deal with it.

              Look, I think the notin that there is not a higher incidence oif pedophilia ampong Catholic priests than, say, Episcopalian ministers, is ridiculous.

              YMMV.

              •  Are you suggesting that a pedophile (2+ / 0-)
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                raised in a Catholic environment would gravitate to the priesthood?

                You might find this of interest and justification for your premise that there is not a higher incidence among catholic priests than other clergy:

                http://blogs.denverpost.com/...

                5/25/10: “There is no plausible evidence that Catholic priests are gangs of sexual predators, as they are being portrayed,” said Pennsylvania State University Prof. Philip Jenkins, eminent religion and history scholar, and a non-Catholic who’s studied the church’s abuse problems for 20 years.

                Jenkins said there has been no formal study comparing denominations for rates of child abuse. However, insurers have been assessing the risks since they began offering riders on liability policies in the 1980s. Two of the largest insurers report no higher risks in covering Catholic churches than Protestant denominations.

                Wisconsin-based Church Mutual Insurance Co. has 100,000 client churches and has seen a steady filing of about five sexual molestation cases a week for more than a decade, even though its client base has grown.

                “It would be incorrect to call it a Catholic problem,” said Church Mutual’s risk control manager, Rick Schaber. “We do not see one denomination above another. It’s equal. It’s also equal among large metropolitan churches and small rural churches.”

                Iowa-based Guide One Center for Risk Management, which insures more than 40,000 congregations, also said Catholic churches are not considered a greater risk or charged higher premiums.

                “Our claims experience shows this happens evenly across denominations,” said spokeswoman Melanie Stonewall.

                When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

                by msmacgyver on Sun Feb 26, 2012 at 12:11:42 PM PST

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    •  I can explain it, actually (6+ / 0-)

      Because most of today's hierarchy entered all-male seminaries in their early teens, and because they were taught there that abusive behaviors were the same type of "sins" as homosexuality, they believe that both types of behaviors can simply be forgiven in the confessional.

      (The good homosexual men in the clergy have been told all their adult lives that they are equivalent to pedophiles so it is very hard to get them to learn the truth.)

      But please don't write that "Catholics" ignore it. Catholics have really rejected the behaviors of the hierarchy. Problem is, they are paying financially for crimes they didn't commit.

      Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

      by MrMichaelMT on Sun Feb 26, 2012 at 09:20:15 AM PST

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    •  A fairly standard American Catholic experience is (14+ / 0-)

      that people may be horrified by the scandals, they nevertheless are attached to their own parish communities.  Which is a pretty common way for humans to feel generally.

      If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in the dark with a mosquito.

      by marykk on Sun Feb 26, 2012 at 09:21:01 AM PST

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    •  Faith (6+ / 0-)
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      Which of course is the exact problem with elevating faith over reason.

    •  totally...i read the post and thought (4+ / 0-)

      "has e.j. dionne lost his flippin' mind?  since when has catholicism walked its talk?!"

      My goal is to make the world safe for anarchy. - 4Freedom

      by Cedwyn on Sun Feb 26, 2012 at 10:09:48 AM PST

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