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  •  multiply by two billion. (0+ / 0-)

    The expected death toll from climate change translates to approximately one billion lives lost for each additional degree Celsius.

    We are presently heading for +2C, so 2 billion lives.  Approximately equivalent to a nuclear war.

    So in the abstract, those numbers fully justify whatever use of force it takes to prevent that scale of slaughter.  

    However, as a practical matter that won't succeed: it would just become another form of eco-terrorism doomed to failure.

    And also as a practical matter it isn't necessary because we still have recourse to the proverbial soap box and the actual ballot box.

    So as a principled matter, even though the consequences of climate change justify the use of main force to prevent them, the availability of legal means of recourse and the high probability that legal means will succeed, combine to result in the necessity for using these means to their fullest extent.

    You can't stop a kidnapper by passing legislation, so you have to whack him to save your kid.  But you can stop a coal plant with legislation and lawsuits, and you can achieve clean energy conversion at the ballot box and through persuading people to change their behaviors.  

    That's the difference.

    GOTV as if your kids' lives depend on it.

    "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

    by G2geek on Sun Feb 26, 2012 at 09:08:58 PM PST

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    •  So you've got no problem lying and cheating (0+ / 0-)

      to support the cause, or for that matter with killing anti-global warming activists if you think you will not get caught and the crimes will not be connected with climate activism?

      So in the abstract, those numbers fully justify whatever use of force it takes to prevent that scale of slaughter.  

      However, as a practical matter that won't succeed: it would just become another form of eco-terrorism doomed to failure.

      •  so are you a Republican mouthpiece or do you just (0+ / 0-)

        .... play one in your idle moments?

        What did I just spend multiple paragraphs saying?  

        That it's not appropriate to go around killing off denialists, because the practical availability of legal means of defeating them imposes a principled obligation to use those means to the fullest extent.  

        How much more clear can it be?

        But instead you twist it into some kind of CT bullshit and try installing so many words in my mouth that if you were a dentist you'd either get sued for malpractice or get a job offer from Orly Taitz.

        As for lying and cheating, go get stuffed.  

        I said the soap box and the ballot box.  

        Now stop trying to install words in my mouth or I'll bite your icky sticky fingers for trying.  

        "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Mon Feb 27, 2012 at 07:27:20 AM PST

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        •  Actually, you said something very different (0+ / 0-)
          So in the abstract, those numbers fully justify whatever use of force it takes to prevent that scale of slaughter.  
          However, as a practical matter that won't succeed: it would just become another form of eco-terrorism doomed to failure.
          Your objection to eco-terrorism doesn't seem to be that it is wrong, just that it won't work.

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