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  •  Also, like switchgrass (1+ / 0-)
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    To sustain the high yields you need to treat it like a food crop, with irrigation and chemical fertilizer.  If you grow it as a weed the yields fall off rapidly.

    •  which means (2+ / 0-)
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      if you grow it like a weed you need a lot more land. it's not like we have tons of unused ag land just sitting around.

      at best this system is a more tech-heavy replacement for corn ethanol which is a huge boondoggle. so it's not as big of a boondoggle, which i guess is supposed to be an improvement.

      anyone born after the McDLT has no business stomping around acting punk rock

      by chopper on Mon Feb 27, 2012 at 10:27:55 AM PST

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      •  As far as I can see ... (0+ / 0-)

        none of us (and I include you) has anything like adequate information to know what this could be "at best."

        With all this manure around, there must be a pony in here somewhere. - Count Piotr Vorkosigan

        by jrooth on Mon Feb 27, 2012 at 10:55:52 AM PST

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        •  well (1+ / 0-)
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          i'm allowed to be skeptical, especially given all of our adventures in biofuels.

          i'm not going to await the estimates of EROEI for this stuff with bated breath.

          anyone born after the McDLT has no business stomping around acting punk rock

          by chopper on Mon Feb 27, 2012 at 11:04:35 AM PST

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          •  Sure you are. (0+ / 0-)

            I'm skeptical too, having seen more than a few miracle tech solutions in my time.

            But some of your declarations are a much a reach towards pessimism as the diary is towards optimism.

            With all this manure around, there must be a pony in here somewhere. - Count Piotr Vorkosigan

            by jrooth on Mon Feb 27, 2012 at 11:11:53 AM PST

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            •  asdf (1+ / 0-)
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              i'm allowed to be pessimistic for the same reasons. given how dependent our country is on cheap, easy fossil fuels can you blame me? our entire infrastructure is based on cheap easy-flowing fuel and this new shtick aint it.

              anyone born after the McDLT has no business stomping around acting punk rock

              by chopper on Mon Feb 27, 2012 at 11:34:44 AM PST

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            •  Pessimism is in the eye of the beholder (0+ / 0-)

              You choose to register chopper's comments -- which I consider spot-on -- as a downer. That may speak more to your state of mind than to the information/thought content of chopper's comments.

              •  Please explain to me (0+ / 0-)

                what objective information chopper has to make this categorical declaration:

                at best this system is a more tech-heavy replacement for corn ethanol which is a huge boondoggle. so it's not as big of a boondoggle, which i guess is supposed to be an improvement.
                (emphasis mine)

                With all this manure around, there must be a pony in here somewhere. - Count Piotr Vorkosigan

                by jrooth on Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 04:38:18 AM PST

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                •  asdf (1+ / 0-)
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                  oh noes, a 'categorical declaration'.

                  having seen more than a few miracle tech solutions in my time which have never panned out, and given the lack of real information in this press release (note: when people pushing this sort of tech don't tell you what the EROEI is, it's probably not great), i think i'm more than able to assume that this is, at best, a nominal improvement over our current corn ethanol boondoggle. given our insane thirst for gasoline and the fact that the people pushing this tech say that if things go great they could by 2015 replace .7% of our gasoline usage, i'm more than within the bounds of reason to assume so.

                  just wait til you hear my 'categorical declarations' about the GOP. people better get to the faintin' couch cause they's about as categorical as you can get.

                  anyone born after the McDLT has no business stomping around acting punk rock

                  by chopper on Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 09:37:58 AM PST

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                •  I think chopper has covered the bases on this (0+ / 0-)
      •  Actually, we do have a ton of unused and fallow (0+ / 0-)

        ag land at the moment. And this can use poor quality soil, so that expands the available land considerably.

        Information is abundant, wisdom is scarce. The Druid

        by FarWestGirl on Mon Feb 27, 2012 at 05:08:56 PM PST

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