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  •  no, actually, I don't (15+ / 0-)

    You really should stop believing right wing propaganda, and listen to people like, for example, our secretary of defense: Panetta: Iran Not Building a Nuclear Weapon

    •  Err Taylor you should read your own article (2+ / 0-)
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      Panetta's comment was that while they are not building a bomb, they are "Laying the Groundwork" for building a bomb. You know like uping encrichment capabilities, building facilities... that sort of stuff.

      I think it is hilarious that you think I am believing "Right Wing Propaganda" when all you are doing is spouting the Iranian Party line. Truly comedy. Not too mention that I am one of the founders here of "Jews for President Obama" - yep we sure a bunch of right wingers. (/snark).

      Most likely, Iran is building a bomb and most likely they are not nearly as far along as is claimed.

      Hey you know what else I heard from the Iranian regime... there are no Gay People there either. Would you like to argue that one as well.

      •  "all you are doing is spouting the Iranian (2+ / 3-)

        Party line."

        Fuck off.

        •  Hey Taylor.... Did I hit a nerve? (1+ / 0-)
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          You have a nice day as well...

          Hey I have another one for you since you are parroting the line:

          The elections in Iran were free and fair.... there was no vote fixing whatsoever.

          •  so when will you start (3+ / 0-)

            calling people "objectively pro-terrorist"?

            Maybe you will accuse kossacks who believe Leon Panetta of mounting a fifth column?

            •  That would be pretty stupid since I co-founded (1+ / 0-)
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              a group called "Jews for President Obama" and Panetta is...  you know... his appointee.

              Just because you believe the Iranian line about Nukes  "hook, line, and sinker" doesn't make you "pro-terrorist", it just means you are not the "brightest bulb on the tree" so to speak.

              •  self-absorbed, arrogant, (3+ / 0-)

                running around the site accusing those who cite the secretary of defense of spouting terrorist propaganda.

                Very sad.

                •  Oh... how pathetic..... (1+ / 0-)
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                  leftynyc

                  Please back up your claims that I said "those who cite the Secretary of Defense are spouting terrorist propaganda."

                  What I said was that YOU in saying this:

                  Iran has not been developing weapons, and no facility was taken out by anything.
                  And that taylor is Iranian regime propaganda.

                  What Sec. Def. Panetta said which was: "The Iranians are laying the groundwork for building a bomb"....

                  Oh yes taylor and can you please show evidence where I am "running around the site. What is funny about this is that you keep making these ridiculous accusations without a shred of evidence, even though you have been asked to provide some.

                  So... taylor - which other regime lies would you like us to believe?

                  •  Iran is not developing a nuclear weapon. (5+ / 0-)
                    Iran has not been developing weapons, and no facility was taken out by anything.
                    And that taylor is Iranian regime propaganda.
                    US government and intelligence officials have said repeatedly that Iran is NOT developing nuclear weapons.  Is that Iranian regime propaganda?

                    They have said that Iran is advancing their capability to do so.  I agree, but that is NOT the same thing.  As Bush did in his last SOTU address (iirc), and as now the Senate is taking up, the new red line for US war with Iran is in fact "advancing the capability."  Not developing.  They aren't developing.

                    You are advancing right-wing propaganda here.

                •  Matt... (2+ / 0-)

                  ...and this goes to volleyboy as well, would both of you mind terribly turning down the rhetoric just a bit?

                  Pretty please with a cherry on top?

                  Fuck me, it's a leprechaun.

                  by MBNYC on Mon Feb 27, 2012 at 01:00:29 PM PST

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                  •  Michael, this motherfucker can kiss my ass (2+ / 0-)
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                    He started this shit off by claiming I'm parroting propaganda from a holocaust denying anti-semite, when I did no such thing.  And he keeps saying it.  He's acting like Dick fucking Cheney.

                    You know me very well, and you know his bullshit is a lie.

                  •  Ok... for you I will (0+ / 0-)

                    See... It's like this. I see "laying the groundwork" and taking all the steps to making a nuke as the process to developing a bomb. And it is. If you are trying to enrich Uranium beyond medical or energy grade - you are trying to develop a bomb in my book.

                    Anyway, I also firmly believe that Iran does want to develop and is attempting to develop a nuclear weapon. BUT... does that mean we go to war over it? At this point in time I believe, that is not a prudent course of action. I believe the President and Secretary Panetta when they argue that Sanctions are the way forward.

                    Anyway, MBNYC - because it's you... yep I am happy to see that shitflinging fest end.

                    •  It is, IFF they decide to do it. They haven't (3+ / 0-)

                      decided to do it.  So therefore they are not.

                      NOBODY says they are trying to enrich beyond medical (20%) grade.  Everybody acknowledges that a) 20% is their right; b) that IS a path toward weapons grade (95%); and, c) that to get to 95% from 20%, uninspected, is a long, tenuous, and obvious process (i.e. that can be inspected and ascertained either/both from satellites or IAEA unscheduled visits).  One that hasn't been observed to date.

                      No one should believe Iranian propaganda (that they're of pure intention on this), and no one should believe this war-mongering propaganda that continually alleges that they are not (pure).

                      The truth lies somewhere in the middle and has to be couched in terms of whether Iran, even developing capability, or even with a bomb, is a threat to the US.  

                      My take is that they are not.  Your headline and principle misquote is that they are.

                      •  Well Terra (0+ / 0-)

                        you can dispute this all you like - doesn't change the fact that Iran wants to develop AND is on the path towards developing a nuclear weapon. Pretty much everyone knows this. Even the most recent IAEA report talks about this.

                        Look... if you think I am calling for war or an Israeli Military strike on Iran, you couldn't be further from wrong. I don't think we should at this point in time. I don't think a bombing run on an Iranian Site would be all that effective and I think it would have reprecussions that would be awful.

                        In my opinion, once you set foot on that path towards developing a weapon - you are developing a weapon. You can split hairs all you want but it doesn't change the facts.

                  •  You know what... I take that back - fuck him (0+ / 0-)

                    After that asshole just called me a "McCarthyite" and has been continually lying about what I am saying. Fuck him. He is a g-d damn liar and I am not letting his bullshit go unanswered.

                    •  take a look in the mirror buddy (1+ / 0-)
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                      in your first comment to me you spouted this horseshit:

                      What I find kind of interesting is that you say that you don't trust what Stratfor is saying (and until verified I don't either) but that you trust the Iranian Government as a source of information.
                      Rightwing bullshit at its finest.
                      •  The only bullshit I see here taylor is yours. (0+ / 0-)

                        I am not the one parroting regime propaganda here. That would be you.

                        I mean this:

                        Iran has not been developing weapons, and no facility was taken out by anything.

                        is straight out of the Iranian regime.

                        Iran, (as Def. Secretary Panetta said) is laying the groundwork for building a bomb. That is their goal and the they are on their first steps to building a nuclear weapon. HENCE, they are developing a bomb.

                        That said - buddy - Where am I advocating for War, or calling anyone who supports Defense Secretary Panetta (A person I support) "pro-Terrorist" or anything else that you have accused me?

                        As I said, when the "Stupid Stick" comes to hit you - it's always best to duck or get out of the way. That way it powers of idiocy don't hit you.

                        Take that as friendly advice.

      •  As far as I know (and I don't obsess about this) (4+ / 0-)

        the latest US NIE is definitively of the opinion that Iran does not currently have a program to develop a nuclear weapon.

        Panetta's statement was quite unambiguous - (i) the US does not believe that Iran is currently trying to develop a nuclear weapon; (ii) the US believes that Iran is working on developing technologies and capabilities that are needed to enrich uranium (perhaps to weapons-grade levels); (iii) the US does not have a sufficient problem with this, that they would attack Iran over it or support an Israeli attack over it; (iv) if and ONLY if Iran moves from the point of being able to make HEU to an active program to make an actual weapon, the US would see that as a casus belli.

        Bottom line - nothing that the US believes Iran is currently doing, is anything the US is prepared to go to war over, even if Israel tries something on their own.

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